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Включение/выключение этой функции на звук не влияло, сколько не вслушивался\n- Наличие дисплея - это на самом деле очень здорово, несмотря на дурацкое расположение. Все настройки сразу видны, ничего запоминать и перепроверять не нужно\n\nЕщё пара вещей, которые хотелось бы отдельно отметить:\n - Ритмы - очень полезны, с ними куда интереснее заниматься, чем под метроном\n- Бонусом к пианино идёт шикарный нотный сборник с отличным качеством бумаги, печати и оформления непосредственно нотного текста. В интернете ноты такого качества найти очень тяжело.\n\nВ целом я очень доволен приобретением, сомневаюсь, что в России за ту же цену можно купить что-то лучше. Кстати, здесь в отзывах многие жалуются на \"глухой\" звук - это потому, что жесткость клавиатуры по умолчанию довольно большая, поставьте Soft 1/2 и наслаждайтесь. Да и вообще настроек здесь очень много, не поленитесь разобраться и настроить пианино под себя - здесь это вполне возможно. 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- Клавиатура NWX. Играть на ней - одно удовольствие! Крайне сложно описать, почему именно - но ощущения от игры совершенно другие, чем от пластиковых клавиатур (здесь в белых клавишах используется настоящее дерево). Плюсом идет шикарное покрытие. Ничего лучше до 200 тыс. нет, PHA 5.0 от Roland по-моему всё же уступает NWX, хотя тоже по-своему приятная. - Звук. Это очень субъективно конечно, но такого приятного и красивого звука я ни на одном другом ЦП не слышал. Но, опять же, это относится к ЦП-конкурентам, в любом платном VST звук намного лучше, к сожалению. Если будете заниматься в наушниках - не забудьте обзавестись хорошими, для прослушивания музыки - тогда будете получать массу удовольствия от занятий. На звуке в этой ценовой категории уже не экономят, но чтобы это услышать и оценить, нужно иметь соответствующее оборудование. - Встроенные динамики - очень неплохи, хотя с хорошими мониторами звук будет ещё лучше. Всего динамиков четыре, по 25 Вт каждый, итого 100 Вт мощности, чего более чем достаточно даже для небольшого зала, не говоря уже про обычную жилую комнату. Даже если не использовать всю мощность, 4 динамика лучше двух, как в большинстве моделей в этой ценовой категории, за счет распределения частот по разным полосам. К примеру, разница между CLP-635 с 2 динамиками и CLP-645 с 4 очень заметна. - Внешний вид. Дизайнеры отлично потрудились - несмотря на то, что пианино в общем-то небольшое, за счет продуманного дизайна оно кажется больше, чем есть на самом деле. - Возможность записи игры сразу на флешку в формате .WAV 44.1 КГц. - Масса настроек, которые действительно меняют ощущения от игры на инструменте. - Bluetooth Audio - безумно удобная штука и стоит разницы в цене с CLP-635. Почему-то маркетологи позиционируют пианино с Bluetooth как просто беспроводную стереосистему, но по-моему, для пианиста большую ценность представляет возможность слушать и своё исполнение, и уроки/чужую игру через одни и те же наушники/динамики, подключив к пианино смартфон.
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- Расположение панели управления. Многие производители, и Ямаха в том числе, в угоду дизайну сместили экран и все кнопки на левую сторону корпуса, тем самым сделав управление инструментом крайне неудобным. У меня рост 182 см, но даже мне неудобно наклоняться налево и перебирать настройки, сидя на банкетке, что уж говорить про детей и девушек, им скорее всего даже сам экран с банкетки не виден. На старых моделях все управление было по центру, над клавишами, что безусловно делало инструмент похожим на панель управления атомным реактором, в особо запущенных случаях (у Casio например), но зато это было очень удобно. Roland, кстати, в серии HP сделали проще - крышку клавиатуры можно перевести в т.н. "классическую позицию", в которой она слегка сдвигается вперед и полностью закрывает все кнопки над клавишами, что по-моему самый оптимальный вариант, который не вредит ни дизайну, ни удобству управления. Что помешало и Ямахе сделать так же - загадка. - Крайне странно настроен второй из двух тембров рояля - Bösendorfer. Если CFX по умолчанию настроен практически идеально, то Бозендорфер надо доводить до ума. По умолчанию у этого тембра очень глухой звук; настолько, что на басу после определенной ноты становится крайне тяжело различить звуки. Лечится это следующим образом: в разделе Voice edit выставляем Voice volume на 127 (максимум), чувствительность клавиатуры - Soft 1 или Soft 2, при необходимости можно добавить ещё чувствительности через Voice edit - touch sensitivity (ставим значение больше 64). При таких настройках яркость звука значительно вырастает и наконец становится слышно настоящий немецкий рояль. Но до CFX всё же не дотягивает, как по мне. - Инструмент жутко тяжелый, и как следствие, его крайне неудобно переносить. Что в нём может весить целых 60 кг?.. - Почему-то воспроизводит не все MIDI-файлы. Предыдущее Casio спокойно воспроизводило всю мою коллекцию - порядка 20 MIDI файлов, здесь же инструмент видит только 3 из них.
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Здесь я попробую отделить маркетинг от реальных преимуществ: - Бинауральное сэмплирование - действительно очень интересная штука, звучит намного красивее в наушниках, чем стандартное 3D-аудио в большинстве моделей, и самое главное - в этом режиме можно записывать свое исполнение, то есть в записанном на инструменте аудиофайле будет бинауральная запись. - VRM (моделирование резонансов) - супер - Имитация escapement - очень слабая, по сути он чувствуется только при игре pp, дальше его абсолютно незаметно - Технология сэмплирования в целом - очень неплохо, переходы между сэмплами очень тяжело уловить, а уж во время исполнения на это и вовсе не обращаешь внимание - Дополнение по клавиатуре - все клавиши очень плотно сидят и не болтаются, боковая поддержка клавиш превосходная - Интеллектуальный контроль акустики для динамиков - если честно, вообще не понял, зачем и как оно работает. Включение/выключение этой функции на звук не влияло, сколько не вслушивался - Наличие дисплея - это на самом деле очень здорово, несмотря на дурацкое расположение. Все настройки сразу видны, ничего запоминать и перепроверять не нужно Ещё пара вещей, которые хотелось бы отдельно отметить: - Ритмы - очень полезны, с ними куда интереснее заниматься, чем под метроном - Бонусом к пианино идёт шикарный нотный сборник с отличным качеством бумаги, печати и оформления непосредственно нотного текста. В интернете ноты такого качества найти очень тяжело. В целом я очень доволен приобретением, сомневаюсь, что в России за ту же цену можно купить что-то лучше. Кстати, здесь в отзывах многие жалуются на "глухой" звук - это потому, что жесткость клавиатуры по умолчанию довольно большая, поставьте Soft 1/2 и наслаждайтесь. Да и вообще настроек здесь очень много, не поленитесь разобраться и настроить пианино под себя - здесь это вполне возможно. Засим откланиваюсь, спасибо, что прочитали столь объемный отзыв, и удачных покупок!
5 лет назадМосква
Комментарий 103189754
Увы, но бинауральные семплы активируются только при игре в наушниках. Записать в WAV или через линейный выход не получится. Попробуйте записать и сравнить с действительно бинауральной записью - https://youtu.be/-2NqTK6BnuU
Увы, но бинауральные семплы активируются только при игре в наушниках. Записать в WAV или через линейный выход не получится. Попробуйте записать и сравнить с действительно бинауральной записью - https://youtu.be/-2NqTK6BnuU
Комментарий 103472709
Не могу на странице найти, где именно вы мне ответили:) А 735 от 745 чем отличается?
Не могу на странице найти, где именно вы мне ответили:) А 735 от 745 чем отличается?
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Опыт использования:
менее месяца
Достоинства:
1. Клавиатура. Да, она чуть тяжелее. Я вижу этом только положительную сторону, поскольку у настоящих акустических роялей клавиатура еще тяжелее 2. Дизайн. Полированный черный - непревзойденная классика. Почему-то далеко не у всех производителей есть такой вариант отделки. Ну в целом внешний вид сдержанный и какой-то "классический" 3. Звук рояля CFX. Никаких сомнений, инженеры Yamaha потрудились на славу. Звук действительно рояльный. 4. Доступность. Yamaha есть везде. Даже в колхозе Екатеринбург CLP выставлена в 2х салонах, где можно поиграть и пощупать инструмент. Премиальные топовые модели от Roland и Kawai в колхоз не возят
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1. Баг с громкостью. В интернете куча видео и куча тем на форумах, о том, как этот баг проявляется. Вылазит он не часто, но если вылезет, то знатно испортит исполнение. 2. Субъектное замечание - рояль CFX. Это действительно концертный рояль, но все же он специфичный. На мой взгляд, это инструмент для исполнения произведений с оркестром. Звук CFX уже больно вычищен, слишком bright, какой-то постукивающий звук. Мне больше по душе более теплые рояли для сольного исполнения - Steinway (модели О и D), Shigeru Kawai (SK-7 и EX)
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Я был удивлен, насколько приятная клавиатура. В интернете на форумах куча людей хают клавиатуру за ее тяжесть, ставят на нее гирьки, сравнивают с другими цифровыми пианино. С роялем бы кто сравнил лучше. Клавиатура вполне послушная и пригодная для быстрой игры. Плюс покрытие тоже увеличивает степень "приятности". Все такие синтетическая слоновая кость - это идеально. В целом, рекомендую инструмент.
4 года назадЕкатеринбург
Комментарий 103317379
Shigeru Kawai SK-7 стоит примерно 5.000.000 если что, а тут цена до 200к рублей)
Shigeru Kawai SK-7 стоит примерно 5.000.000 если что, а тут цена до 200к рублей)
Опыт использования:
несколько месяцев
Достоинства:
+ звук большинства инструментов + клавиатура NWX - очень качественная сборка и фиксация клавиш (сравнивал с Roland и Kawai), очень реалистичное ощущение (сравнивал с Petrof) + красивый цвет (палисандр / rosewood) + качественно собранная и ладно выглядящая панель управления (чёрного цвета) с кнопками (похоже, что CLP-7xx уже будут с touchscreen'ами) и удобный олдскульный дисплей + возможность использовать приложение Yamaha SmartPianist + подключение Bluetooth для трансляции музыки через колонки/наушники со смартфона позволяет играть "поверх" любимых треков + замечательный сборник 50 Classical Piano Masterpieces - от И.С. Баха до Скота Джоплина... ну разве что Иоганна Штрауса-сына забыли )))
Недостатки:
- всего 36 встроенных тембров (всего?) - Bosendorfer - это, конечно, провал: тихо и глухо; настройка звука, предложенная Артёмом О. помогает, но полностью ситуацию не спасает - очень жаль, потому что тембр очень интересный - Upright Piano - очень сильное ощущение, что сэмплы снимали с расстроенного инструмента; рекомендую для рэгтаймов вместо него использовать Pop Grand - клавиши разделены всего на 4 блока по взвешенности (если не готовиться к выступлению на сцене консерватории, то практически не ощущается) - нет GP Response Damper Pedal - маленький регулятор громкости - приходится передвигать его с ювелирной точностью
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Не хватило примерно 150 тыс. руб. на CLP-685 - о чём почти не жалею... ну почти ))) CLP-645 - отличный инструмент для квартиры в типовой многоэтажке. С великолепной клавиатурой NWX - более лёгкой и относительно тихой (с точки зрения шума клавиш при игре в наушниках), чем GrandTouch, но более "тяжёлой", чем клавиатуры Roland и Kawai (хотя и гораздо лучше спроектированной и собранной). Причём на домашнем инструменте она воспринимается более цельной, чем на инструментах в демо-залах музыкальных магазинов. В общем, перед покупкой обязательно попробуйте в демо-зале магазина - и сравните звук и ощущения от клавиатуры с Roland и Kawai (каждому - своё)! К особенностям инструмента нужно отнести использование 2 разъёмов 6,3 мм для наушников - тонкий намёк на принадлежность к "высшему свету" акустики. И субъективно: если не надо наполнять звуком концертный зал, то двухполосная акустическая система CLP-645 на среднем уровне громкости даёт более сбалансированный звук, чем трёхполосные системы более старших моделей CLP-675/685, где сделан сильный упор на мощные и сочные басы - которые, конечно, звучат гораздо лучше, но только на уровне громкости сильно выше среднего.
4 года назадМосква
Комментарий 102539648
Так а как вам основной звук рояля CFX? Ничего даже не упомянули о нём (плюс Binaural версия в наушниках). Но хорошо, что описали звук Upright Piano и его особенность. Нужно будет обратить внимание на этот момент, так как звук Upright Piano для меня так же важен.
Так а как вам основной звук рояля CFX? Ничего даже не упомянули о нём (плюс Binaural версия в наушниках). Но хорошо, что описали звук Upright Piano и его особенность. Нужно будет обратить внимание на этот момент, так как звук Upright Piano для меня так же важен.
Комментарий 103075664
Здравствуйте, спасибо за ваш объемный отзыв! Не могли бы вы поделиться своими ощущениями, GrandTouch действительно стоит того, или же NWX вполне достаточна? Насколько сильны различия?
Здравствуйте, спасибо за ваш объемный отзыв! Не могли бы вы поделиться своими ощущениями, GrandTouch действительно стоит того, или же NWX вполне достаточна? Насколько сильны различия?
Опыт использования:
несколько месяцев
Достоинства:
VRM система резонанса
Недостатки:
Нет
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Рассматривали премиум линейку, нужно было поменять свой попроще. До этой покупки была тоже Yamaha. Выбирали между CSP 150 и CLP 645 выбрали второй вариант. Разница по техническим характеристикам небольшая и поэтому основной задачей стало понимание именно по функциям и клавиатуре. У 150 модели есть светодиодная панель, которая нам оказалась не нужна, зато у 645 все важнейшие настройки можно решить на панели управления справа на инструменте. Инструмент прекрасный! Тут уже много написали про VRM-но это действительно очень обогащает звук, клавиатура очень отзывчивая и натуральная. Рады покупке.
4 года назадМосква
Комментарий 103114503
Официальный представитель компании в России
Официальный представитель компании в России
Благодарим Вас за положительный отзыв! Каждый инструмент индивидуален, в модели CLP-645 одним из преимуществ является панель управления ,что зачастую упрощает процесс взаимодействия с функциями инструмента!
Благодарим Вас за положительный отзыв! Каждый инструмент индивидуален, в модели CLP-645 одним из преимуществ является панель управления ,что зачастую упрощает процесс взаимодействия с функциями инструмента!
Опыт использования:
менее месяца
Достоинства:
Выбирал долго среди более дешевых аналогов, но в итоге выбрал качество. Не пожалел. Хороший инструмент, понравилась клавиатура, звучит отлично. Старшая дочка на следующий год поступает в музыкальный колледж, сын только начал обучаться, думаю, что инструмент двойную нагрузку выдержит ))
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Пианино хорошо вписалось в интерьер.
5 лет назадМосква
Опыт использования:
менее месяца
Достоинства:
Звук; Клавиатура и молоточковый механизм; Материал и покрытие клавиш, не слоновая кость конечно, но и слоников жалко и не за эту цену; Компактность; Возможность полноценно использовать инструмент для записи своей игры, без профессионального звукозаписывающего оборудования (запись исполнения с акустических инструментов требует дорого оборудования), есть интерфейс Bluetooth, функции синтезатора и подключение инструмента к ПК.
Недостатки:
Используемые материалы. За такие деньги можно было сделать основные материалы корпуса из массива дерева, в первую очередь подставку. Везде используется шпон среднего качества с довольно низкого качеством отделкой, уже через полгода начнёт отклеиваться, самая дешёвая мебель и то качественнее. Так же страдает точность подгонки деталей, перекосы и люфты 2-3мм, что для такой цены и производителя просто позор. В целом подставку можно сделать и самому, если умеете работать массивом дерева и есть необходимое оборудование для этого и материалы. Упаковка инструмента в одну большую коробку крайне не удачная идея, её вес около 100КГ (пустая коробка весит не меньше 35кг), было бы гораздо практичнее разделить основную часть и детали подставки с педалями на 2 отдельные коробки, это бы сильно упростило задачу переноски.
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Я сам не музыкант, покупал инструмент для домашнего использования студента музыкального ВУЗа. В целом инструмент моим домашним музыкантам понравился, гораздо больше того, что мы использовали до этого. Старался выбрать что то из ценовой категории пригодной для профессионального обучения, но без космического ценника. Как всё таки профессиональное музыкальное образование стало дорого... Очень надеюсь, что инструмент прослужит долго, больше 5 лет. Бюджет обычного рабочего не выдержит ежегодной покупки инструмента домой...
4 года назадМосква
Комментарий 102966390
Официальный представитель компании в России
Официальный представитель компании в России
Здравствуйте, Юрий! Благодарим за Ваше доверие к компании Yamaha и развернутый отзыв! Поздравляем Вас с отличным выбором! Модель CLP-645 относится к премиальной линейке Yamaha Clavinova и обладает всеми необходимыми свойствами инструмента для профессиональной игры: начиная от механики клавиатуры, заканчивая качеством звучания. Надеемся, что данный инструмент будет радовать Вас еще долгие годы! К сожалению, использование массива дерева в отделке инструмента увеличило бы его стоимость в несколько раз, поэтому иногда приходится прибегать к более доступным средствам, чтобы большее количество людей могли наслаждаться превосходным качеством звучания инструментов Yamaha.
Здравствуйте, Юрий! Благодарим за Ваше доверие к компании Yamaha и развернутый отзыв! Поздравляем Вас с отличным выбором! Модель CLP-645 относится к премиальной линейке Yamaha Clavinova и обладает всеми необходимыми свойствами инструмента для профессиональной игры: начиная от механики клавиатуры, заканчивая качеством звучания. Надеемся, что данный инструмент будет радовать Вас еще долгие годы! К сожалению, использование массива дерева в отделке инструмента увеличило бы его стоимость в несколько раз, поэтому иногда приходится прибегать к более доступным средствам, чтобы большее количество людей могли наслаждаться превосходным качеством звучания инструментов Yamaha.
Комментарий 103018538
Сейчас специально осмотрел свой инструмент - нигде ничего не отклеивается, инструмент выглядит точно так же, как и после покупки 1,5 года назад. По работе постоянно имею дело с мебелью и хочу сказать, что материалы корпуса в этой модели очень качественные, и даже при минимальном уходе инструмент будет отлично выглядеть очень и очень долго.
Сейчас специально осмотрел свой инструмент - нигде ничего не отклеивается, инструмент выглядит точно так же, как и после покупки 1,5 года назад. По работе постоянно имею дело с мебелью и хочу сказать, что материалы корпуса в этой модели очень качественные, и даже при минимальном уходе инструмент будет отлично выглядеть очень и очень долго.
Имя скрыто
Опыт использования:
менее месяца
Достоинства:
Красивый звук. Полноценный корпусный инструмент
Недостатки:
Тяжеловата клавиатура
Комментарий:
Изначально хотел купить эту модель, уже нацелился. Пришли с ребенком опробовать вживую, и показалась тяжелой клавиатура. При быстрой игре с непривычки многовато пропусков звуков. У живых пианино клавиатура легче, у роялей - по-разному. В итоге купил Kawai CA78. У него клавиатура все-таки лучше, хотя с опытом обнаружилась некоторая "ватность" (в CA79 механику поменяли на более четкую и надежную). Звук, на мой вкус, лучше у Ямахи, но Каваи в итоге тоже очень хорош. И память своих пресетов там есть.
4 года назадПенза
Комментарий 103044908
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Здравствуйте! Клавиатура разных производителей акустических инструментов различается и Yamaha имеет репутацию производителя акустических пианино и роялей с наиболее оптимальным (средним) весом, т.к. бывают производители, которые производят инструмент с совсем легкой и совсем тяжелой клавиатурой. В своих цифровых инструментах Yamaha старается сымитировать вес клавиатуры акустического рояля собственного производства. Очень жаль, что Вам не подошла клавиатура NWX. Возможно, вам следовало попробовать младшие модели с более легкой клавиатурой (например, CLP-635), так как, действительно, клавиатура Yamaha CLP-645 чуть тяжелее, т.к. помимо молоточков вес добавляют клавиши из натурального дерева. Клавиатура оснащена тремя сенсорами, поэтому при быстрой игре у подготовленного к данной технике пианиста не должно возникать пропусков звуков. Желаем Вам успехов в обучении!
Здравствуйте! Клавиатура разных производителей акустических инструментов различается и Yamaha имеет репутацию производителя акустических пианино и роялей с наиболее оптимальным (средним) весом, т.к. бывают производители, которые производят инструмент с совсем легкой и совсем тяжелой клавиатурой. В своих цифровых инструментах Yamaha старается сымитировать вес клавиатуры акустического рояля собственного производства. Очень жаль, что Вам не подошла клавиатура NWX. Возможно, вам следовало попробовать младшие модели с более легкой клавиатурой (например, CLP-635), так как, действительно, клавиатура Yamaha CLP-645 чуть тяжелее, т.к. помимо молоточков вес добавляют клавиши из натурального дерева. Клавиатура оснащена тремя сенсорами, поэтому при быстрой игре у подготовленного к данной технике пианиста не должно возникать пропусков звуков. Желаем Вам успехов в обучении!
Опыт использования:
менее месяца
Достоинства:
До проблем с клавишами всё нравилось - хороший звук (в основном в наушниках занимаюсь), клавиши из дерева, нажатие и отклик(до появления проблем, далее об этом в "недостатках")
Недостатки:
Через пол года интенсивного использования начала "выстреливать" одна клавиша (при том же нажатии дает звук громче остальных, при меце-форте - форте выстреливает пронзительным звонким звуком на фоне остальных), дальше таких становится всё больше. Поиск показал такую проблему у многих ямах, рекомендуют лечить протиркой контактов. Практически сразу щелкала правая педаль. Тут проще - брызнул силиконовой смазки - прошло.
Комментарий:
Немного "легкая" клавиатура - по началу, пока пальцы были слабоваты - нравилось. Когда пальцы окрепли - захотелось "потяжелее".
4 года назадЧерноголовка
Комментарий 103734380
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