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Закрытая конструкция в совокупности с высокой звукоизоляцией без ощущения, что ты сидишь в закрытых наушниках. То есть нету ощущения коробочности, будто бы ты сидел в маленьком помещении типа дикторской кабины. Очень хорошо чувствуется пространство и есть воздух. Высокая детальность без мозговыносящего верха, как в тех же Beyerdynamic. Шикарные материалы, вес не напрягает, ощущение добротно сделанной вещи во всех отношениях.
Недостатки:
Чуть-чуть передаётся вибрации от провода. Сначала напрягло, потом в работе об этом забываешь.
Комментарий:
Я звукорежиссёр видеопроизводства. Если говорить в целом про звучание, то оно смещено больше к низкочастотному спектру и верх весьма мягкий, но он прекрасно поддаётся коррекции. Поработал в них и на площадке и на постпродакшне с коррекцией Realphones. Очень много противоречивых отзывов на них, будто это те же HD280, что является полной ахинеей исходя хотя бы из конструкции и материалов изготовления. Даже материалы амбушюр влияют на звук, что уж говорить про всё остальное. Считаю сейчас одним из лучших предложений на рынке наушников до 50тыс.руб закрытой конструкции. Нойманам как-то удалось сделать достаточно универсальный продукт, который можно и в профессиональной сфере использовать и просто наслаждаться музыкой или кино.
Однозначно рекомендую к покупке!
Странный у нас народ. У нас много противоречивых отзывов на наушники Neumann, но зато от beyerdynamics с их кривой как вся моя жизнь АЧХ, а также с наценкой 80% для российский ретейлеров, все просто в восторге. Причем это же касается "флагманской" тысячной серии: и АЧХ кривая, и цена начинается от тех же 420 евро в Германии, что и на neumann, но как по волшебству превращается в 720 евро по факту продажи у нас.
Странный у нас народ. У нас много противоречивых отзывов на наушники Neumann, но зато от beyerdynamics с их кривой как вся моя жизнь АЧХ, а также с наценкой 80% для российский ретейлеров, все просто в восторге. Причем это же касается "флагманской" тысячной серии: и АЧХ кривая, и цена начинается от тех же 420 евро в Германии, что и на neumann, но как по волшебству превращается в 720 евро по факту продажи у нас.
Крепкие, надёжные, а главное звучание. Очень собранный и плотный низ, такого низа не слышал в других наушниках. Использую их в профессиональной студии как дополнительный контроль через реалфонс.
Недостатки:
Тяжеловатые, но привык к этому. Чехол могли бы нормальный сделать за такие деньги, а не тоненький мешочек))
Если вы до этого слушали калиброванные наушники класса Beyerdynamic 1770 или 1990 - вы найдете Neumann более комфортными и менее утомляющими, даже без калибровки АЧХ.
Но если это ваши первые наушники такого класса - вас ждет много нового.
Во-первых, забудьте про ваши коллекции песен в ВКонтакте и Яндекс Музыке - 70-80 процентов из своих подборок вы слушать больше не сможете из-за того кошмара, который вы раньше в них не замечали. Эти наушники безжалостно покажут вам всю грязь и ошибки сведения и мастеринга.
Во-вторых, ваши старые записи, которые вы слушали не раз, заиграют новыми деталями и красками. Например записи Венского филармонического оркестра под управлением Карла Бёма, которые были отслушаны не раз на добротной Hi-Fi аппаратуре - показали новые нюансы и штрихи.
Недостатки:
Безжалостны к посредственным записям, могут порвать шаблон неподготовленному слушателю. Не подходят любителям шатающего крышу баса в наушниках.
Комментарий:
Надежная сборка, приятный дизайн. Отличное мониторное звучание, уровень которого подходит как для профессиональной работы со звуком, так и для прослушивания музыки.
Всех читающих отзыв попрошу предельно скептически и критически относиться ко всему, что там написано.
1. Товарищ пишет про какую-то калибровку, причем без калибровки ачх. Можно предположить, что калибровка посадки наушников на голове, особенно если в контексте "вы найдете Neumann более комфортными и менее утомляющими", но контекст подразумевает калибровку ЗВУКА. В общем, что там калибровать кроме АЧХ- мне не понятно.
2. Про плохо сведенные, записанные и отмастеринные треки- весьма спорно, захотите услышать- услышите, но нужно прислушиваться и получится это далеко не всегда. Ну и при большом желании плохие сведение и мастеринг можно услышать на наушниках за 300 рублей.
3. Про новые детали и краски- вполне возможно. Только скорее это не достоинство, а НЕДОСТАТОК этих наушников. Если посмотреть на амблитудно-частотную характеристику этих наушников- можно увидеть, что низкие частоты задраны до +6дб. Разница в 10 дБ между двумя источниками, большинством людей воспринимается как разница громкости в ДВА РАЗ. То есть, в записи Венского филармонического оркестра товарищ услышал почти в 2 раза громче играющие тромбоны , тубы и прочие инструменты из низкого регистра. С верхней серединой и верхними частотами у наушников тоже всё не так уж однозначно. Пики до всё тех же +6 дБ. Что тоже "ПОКАЗЫВАЕТ НОВЫЕ ДЕТАЛИ" инструментов из верхнего регистра. Что в общем-то является простым увеличением громкости.
4. Про HI-FI аппаратуру, о которой так любят говорить аудиофилы, если коротко- это просто звуковой тракт, ИЗМЕНЯЮЩИЙ звук, причем далеко не всегда в положительную сторону. Этот HI-FI тракт очень часто не имеет ничего общего с мониторным звуком. В этом случае, можно только догадываться, на каком тракте товарищ слушал записи, и в каком состоянии были ламы усилителей, в каком состоянии ЦАП там стоял и прочее.
5. Мониторный звук в ЗАКРЫТЫХ наушниках, с пиками ачх +-6 дБ. Ну это просто смешно. Возможно sonarworks reference 4 и спасет их. Если будут пресеты для них.
Всех читающих отзыв попрошу предельно скептически и критически относиться ко всему, что там написано.
1. Товарищ пишет про какую-то калибровку, причем без калибровки ачх. Можно предположить, что калибровка посадки наушников на голове, особенно если в контексте "вы найдете Neumann более комфортными и менее утомляющими", но контекст подразумевает калибровку ЗВУКА. В общем, что там калибровать кроме АЧХ- мне не понятно.
2. Про плохо сведенные, записанные и отмастеринные треки- весьма спорно, захотите услышать- услышите, но нужно прислушиваться и получится это далеко не всегда. Ну и при большом желании плохие сведение и мастеринг можно услышать на наушниках за 300 рублей.
3. Про новые детали и краски- вполне возможно. Только скорее это не достоинство, а НЕДОСТАТОК этих наушников. Если посмотреть на амблитудно-частотную характеристику этих наушников- можно увидеть, что низкие частоты задраны до +6дб. Разница в 10 дБ между двумя источниками, большинством людей воспринимается как разница громкости в ДВА РАЗ. То есть, в записи Венского филармонического оркестра товарищ услышал почти в 2 раза громче играющие тромбоны , тубы и прочие инструменты из низкого регистра. С верхней серединой и верхними частотами у наушников тоже всё не так уж однозначно. Пики до всё тех же +6 дБ. Что тоже "ПОКАЗЫВАЕТ НОВЫЕ ДЕТАЛИ" инструментов из верхнего регистра. Что в общем-то является простым увеличением громкости.
4. Про HI-FI аппаратуру, о которой так любят говорить аудиофилы, если коротко- это просто звуковой тракт, ИЗМЕНЯЮЩИЙ звук, причем далеко не всегда в положительную сторону. Этот HI-FI тракт очень часто не имеет ничего общего с мониторным звуком. В этом случае, можно только догадываться, на каком тракте товарищ слушал записи, и в каком состоянии были ламы усилителей, в каком состоянии ЦАП там стоял и прочее.
5. Мониторный звук в ЗАКРЫТЫХ наушниках, с пиками ачх +-6 дБ. Ну это просто смешно. Возможно sonarworks reference 4 и спасет их. Если будут пресеты для них.
Продолжу. Но тогда зачем покупать такие наушники, если давно есть SRH1840 c ГОРАЗДО более ровной ачх и очень детальным звучанием.
В завершение, Neumann отличная компания. Когда говоришь слово "микрофон"- подразумеваешь Neumann.
NDH-20 вполне хорошие наушники, возможно слегка дороже конкурентов. Но мы понимаем, где beyerdynamic (например), а где Neumann .
Цели оскорбить товарища не преследую, просто имейте ввиду что отзыв очень субъективен.
Если вы хотите получить тот самый "МОНИТОРНЫЙ" звук- лучше смотреть на ЛЮБУЮ внешнюю аудиокарту (они сейчас действительно хороши и ЦАП, который стоит в них, в целом, будет передавать звук без существенных искажений) и наушники с наиболее ровной ачх. Пример я написал выше.
А если хотите получить действительно МОНИТОРНЫЙ звук, то для этого больше подходят, внимание, МОНИТОРЫ. Даже самые бюджетные мониторы (YAMAHA HS5, например) имеют АЧХ более ровную, чем ЛЮБЫЕ наушники. Даже sennheiser HD800, это наушники стоимостью 100к не имеют такой ровной АЧХ.
Спасибо за внимание. Слушайте оборудование вживую, не слушайте аудиофилов и думайте своей головой.
Продолжу. Но тогда зачем покупать такие наушники, если давно есть SRH1840 c ГОРАЗДО более ровной ачх и очень детальным звучанием.
В завершение, Neumann отличная компания. Когда говоришь слово "микрофон"- подразумеваешь Neumann.
NDH-20 вполне хорошие наушники, возможно слегка дороже конкурентов. Но мы понимаем, где beyerdynamic (например), а где Neumann .
Цели оскорбить товарища не преследую, просто имейте ввиду что отзыв очень субъективен.
Если вы хотите получить тот самый "МОНИТОРНЫЙ" звук- лучше смотреть на ЛЮБУЮ внешнюю аудиокарту (они сейчас действительно хороши и ЦАП, который стоит в них, в целом, будет передавать звук без существенных искажений) и наушники с наиболее ровной ачх. Пример я написал выше.
А если хотите получить действительно МОНИТОРНЫЙ звук, то для этого больше подходят, внимание, МОНИТОРЫ. Даже самые бюджетные мониторы (YAMAHA HS5, например) имеют АЧХ более ровную, чем ЛЮБЫЕ наушники. Даже sennheiser HD800, это наушники стоимостью 100к не имеют такой ровной АЧХ.
Спасибо за внимание. Слушайте оборудование вживую, не слушайте аудиофилов и думайте своей головой.
Детализация на высшем уровне, ровная ачх, полностью можно следить за всем диапазоном, считаю эталонным звучанием для наушников закрытого типа до 500$, работаю по 5-6ч в день, никакой усталости, не давят, очень удобные!
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Все кто занимается, мастерингом, сведением, обязательно обратить внимание на данную модель!
Здравствуйте, подскажите пожалуйста, есть вариант взять б/у наушники Neumann NDH 20 за 450$ или взять новые Shure SRH1540 за 700$, что будет более честнее для сведения?
Здравствуйте, подскажите пожалуйста, есть вариант взять б/у наушники Neumann NDH 20 за 450$ или взять новые Shure SRH1540 за 700$, что будет более честнее для сведения?
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