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Совокупность цена-качество одно из лучших.Не смотря на 8 летний срок производства Фикусов они и по сей вполне себе адекватно отвечают на вызовы в виде новых игр или звукозаписи.
Недостатки:
Греется сильно и уже материнок почти нет новых под ам3+.
Комментарий:
Фикус и по сей день неплох,но смысла его покупать уже нет.Ryzen 1600 в Китае стоит в районе 5000 тысяч и будет на порядок интереснее фикусов по всем параметрам.
Производительность на ядро, если игра использует лишь два ядра или меньше то всё печально, к примеру Arma 3 которая грузит одно ядро на 90% и выше.
Комментарий:
Взял из за дороговизны оперативной памяти DDR4 и наличия 8GB DDR3, конечно если бы оперативная память стоила сейчас как в 2016 году и ранее то конечно бы взял Ryzen на который материнские платы в большом ассортименте.
* есть проблемы с решением большого числа задач (причём его предшественник AMD Athlonii 440 x3 справлялся с теми же задачами с той же эффективностью, а стальное железо -- на уровне, вместо харда -- ссд).
* Чрезвычайно сильно греется. Даже если поставить хорошее охлаждение, он продолжает греть всю мать, не смотря на то, что сам проц (по датчикам) охлаждён до 30°. Настоятельно рекомендую жидкостное охлаждение
Комментарий:
Проц специально для тех, кто не занимается овелокерством и не разгоняет процы. Каждое ядро само по себе добротное, больше 4Гц мне и не надо. Изначально хотел 9590, но глянув на ценовую разницу и особенности разгона, взял 8350. Ни разу не жалею.
Отличный вариант для уходящей платформы AM3+.
8 ядерный процессор с максимальным выделением тепла 125 вт.
Не греется.
Недостатки:
Нет
Комментарий:
У меня система на материнской плате GIGABYTE GA-970A-DS3P FX (rev. 2.1). Радиатор использую ICE HAMMER IH-4400B (башня с четырьмя 8 мм. трубками).
Для ускорения системы приобрел FX 8350. После установки и проведения тестирования с использованием одного и того же приложения получились результаты:
при работе в видео редакторе Pinnacle на Phenom II X4 965 загрузка каждого из 4х ядер была около 90%, при этом температура доходила до 48-51 гр.
На FX 8350 загрузка всех 8ми ядер составляла 40-50%. При этом температура дошла только до 37-38 градусов. Как только работа процессора заканчивалась температура падала до комнатной.
Проверка стресс тестом Аида64 (на 100% загружаются все 8 ядер) в течении 10 мин. показала тот же результат – 37 гр.
Это пример для тех, кто говорит, что у FX 8350 чрезмерное тепловыделение.
При этом в биосе шина BCLK разогнана с 200 мгц. до 215 мгц. как при старом так и при новом процессоре. Все работает стабильно без всяких зависаний. Частота при этом небольшом разгоне возросла у FX 8350 с 4000 до 4561 мгц.
Больший разгон уже вызывал зависания и требовал повышения напряжения, а этим заниматься не хотелось.
И еще один плюс. Температура северного моста тоже упала по ощущениям градусов на 5.
К вопросу о потреблении энергии FX 8350. Специально проверил с помощью прибора потребление системного блока без монитора. При этом у меня установлены 3 диска 3,5 по 1 Тб, 1 SSD, 2 DVD, память 16Гб 4х4.
1. При загрузке Windows 10 – до 200 вт.
2. В покое – 80 вт.
3. Загрузка картинок в Яндексе – 140-150 вт.
4. Видео редактор (загрузка ядер на 40-50%) – 140-160 вт
5. Обработка больших изображений в фотошопе – до 200 вт
По сравнению со старым процессором по моему энергопотребление стало даже меньше.
Общие результат - на компьютере стало комфортнее работать. Все стало намного шустрее и отзывчивее. Все это мои личные наблюдения. А тестов и сравнений с другими процессорами большое множество есть в интернете .
Покупал fx-8300 ещё в 2015г. за 5'5р. Сейчас его можно взять ещё дешевле. На мониторе 22' в связке с r9 280x и 16gb ddr3 1333 в разрешении 1920*1080 тянет все на ультра. С более крутыми мониторами ему будет тяжко. и скорее всего его время подходит к концу, мощности скоро будет не хватать. Питания на 500Ватт - за глаза хватит. Кулер Noctua ещё с phenom iix3 720 справляется с теплоотдачей.
платформа AM3+ устарела,нет особых перспектив на апгрейт
Комментарий:
Гоняю проц FX8320e уже третий год,игры тащит даже в 2018 году :) со всеми задачами справляется....!!!!!! Народ почему вы говорите что он горячей....!??? Что за чушь вы несёте...??? Его TDP всего 95 градусов..купил мини башню Titan Cool Silent TTC-NK35TZ больше 39 градусов в стресс тесте не наблюдаю...в корпусе конечно ещё 5 кулеров...В общем то что FX8320e горячий,очень большой и спорный вопрос....Ну а так камнем доволен..Дёшевый и сердитый.. :) Всем добра!!!
Это мой второй FX. С первым я просто ужасно замучился возиться, как человек не смышлёный мне пришлось уйму времени потратить на изучение материалов по разгону. Но хочу сказать одно - результат того стоил. Это просто рай для бюджетных ПК и себе и даже детям в игрушки поиграть!
см. спеки
все еще актуален в 2018
на момент покупки вначале 2017 один из самых дешевых среди аналогов
зимой не нужен обогреватель
Недостатки:
греется
Комментарий:
Для охлаждения брал Titan TTC-NC25TZ/PW(RB), его оказалось мало, заменил на радиаторе вентилятор. В нагрузке при 30 градусах в комнате греется до 65 Цельсия, малость неприятно.
FX-6300 Не тормозит в новых играх при наличии нормальной видео карты, хорошо гонится. Интел отдыхает и по цене и по качеству, под крышкой не паста.
Недостатки:
За такую цену не нашел, не раскрывает 2 видо карты на 100%
Комментарий:
Кулер лучше поставить по массивней, штатный не для разгона.
Понравилось электро-потребление всего до 95.вт. Мощности хватает потянуть почти любую, но одну видео карту до GTX1060. Процессор FX-6300. 6 ядерный 3,5 ггц Получше FX-8300. 8 ядерный 3,3 ггц Цены примерно одинаковая, платформа конечно устарела. С основными задачами справляется легко, хватит ещё на 7-10 лет. С играми ситуация будет ухудшаться аппаратная часть и инструкции были заложены на год выпуска. По этой причине самые новые игры могут не запускаться.
6 лет назад, Москва
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