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Ктонить поборол проблемы с truemotion при воспроизведении фильмов или тв передач с быстро движущимися обьектами толи по горизонтале толи по вертикале идет хорошо заметный шлейф за этими обьектами как рвется изображение поигравшись настройкой truemotion и полная и минимальная картина не меняется рвется и все пришлось truemotion отключить а это ведь 400 герц отключил осталось просто 100 герц. ВИДИМО 400 герц необходимо только при просмотре 3Д или я неправ ? Почему рвется изображение за движущимся обьектом при включенном truemotion

Ктонить поборол проблемы с truemotion при воспроизведении фильмов или тв передач с быстро движущимися обьектами толи по горизонтале толи по вертикале идет хорошо заметный шлейф за этими обьектами как рвется изображение поигравшись настройкой truemotion и полная и минимальная картина не меняется рвется и все пришлось truemotion отключить а это ведь 400 герц отключил осталось просто 100 герц. ВИДИМО 400 герц необходимо только при просмотре 3Д или я неправ ? Почему рвется изображение за движущимся обьектом при включенном truemotion
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все верно, на trumotion ругаются часто. у меня LG 32LN570V, та же история - нередко за контурами движущихся объектов можно увидеть артефакты. реально раздражает. особенно когда объект на экране тонкий, типа дула винтовки или прута на заборе, но не только (перелистывают страницы с текстом крупным планом, или близко перед камерой проходит человек не в фокусе, даже тупо смотри на новую заставку 20th century fox, скажем перед Аватаром - там в начале, когда двигается луч прожектора все отлично видно). пригляделся получше - артефакты представляют из себя тот же контур объекта, но, скажем так, с меньшей яркостью, детальностью, более прозрачные, иногда "изгрызанные". все верно: trumotion рассчитывает промежуточные кадры на основе реальных. похоже рассчитывает так "хорошо", что в указанных случаях мы видим не плавное движение объекта (пусть и размазанное) без инородных примесей, а плавное движение объекта с дергающимся шлейфом артефактов (слабо, но различимой копией контура объекта) с одной, а то и с обеих сторон от самого объекта. причем абсолютно при любой величине de-judder, при любом видеопотоке (пробовал и Аватар на 17Мб/с 1080p, и запись биатлона с iptv в 2Мб/с 576р, и кучу других вариантов за все время пользования телеком). включение/отключение реального кинотеатра, всяких шумоподавлений и расширений краев в настройках не помогает. пробовал смотреть и с флешки, вставленной в usb, и с медиаплеера WDTV Live, подключенного к телеку по HDMI (даже пробовал и по композитному входу) - артефакты никуда не деваются. они исчезают только когда отключаем trumotion, но смотреть дерганную картинку без уплавнялки - явно не то. в общем, такая реализация trumotion. можно попробовать обновить прошивку телека, но люди ругаются на самые разные модели и диагонали. хотя в новых прошивках может и исправили. надо пробовать. или забить. я лично хотел купить Sony, но этот LG купили без меня. эти артефакты я заметил не сразу, но довольно скоро. тут недавно вычитал, что можно понастраивать параметры динамическая контрастность, супер разрешение и расширение краев. но мне уже надоело. попробую попозже. если получится, напишу. кстати, моя модель имеет еще 2 ляпа: 1) не всегда корректно отображаются русские субтитры (апострофы в Аватаре отображаются соответствующими служебными кодами, а не апострофами) и 2) если к телеку подключаю свой медиаплеер по HDMI и для этого входа указан уровень черного "низкий", то когда в фильме черные кадры, матрица вообще гаснет. и включается, когда пошли кадры с изображением. эти вырубания/включения матрицы отлично видны. все энергосбережения отключены. пришлось ставить высокий уровень черного (тогда матрица перестала отключаться) и настраивать яркость/контраст/подсветку чтобы получить нормальную картинку, как раньше.
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Комментарий 101010985
Я это все знаю ничего нового для меня. Вопрос я задал не об этом проблемы с truemotion? Когда он включен при быстром премещении обьектов идет шлейф за этими обьектами фильм смотреть раздражает например летит самолет а от него пиксели отрываются по всему периметру самолета очень неприятно отключил теперь truemotion шлейфы пропали но и картинка теперь обычная не кристальная. Вилео как правило качаю 1,4 Гиг DVDRIP на 3D MKV проблем не замечено
Я это все знаю ничего нового для меня. Вопрос я задал не об этом проблемы с truemotion? Когда он включен при быстром премещении обьектов идет шлейф за этими обьектами фильм смотреть раздражает например летит самолет а от него пиксели отрываются по всему периметру самолета очень неприятно отключил теперь truemotion шлейфы пропали но и картинка теперь обычная не кристальная. Вилео как правило качаю 1,4 Гиг DVDRIP на 3D MKV проблем не замечено
Комментарий 101010987
Потому что 1,4 Гиг предназначено для квадратных Рубинов, ты бы ещё качал бы фильмы на 300 мегабайт которые на СD диски вмещались....там бы наверное пиксели и шлейфы с кулак бы были...
Потому что 1,4 Гиг предназначено для квадратных Рубинов, ты бы ещё качал бы фильмы на 300 мегабайт которые на СD диски вмещались....там бы наверное пиксели и шлейфы с кулак бы были...
Вы абсолютно правы. Пытался применять всяческие настройки truemotion, но лучшее качество действительно когда он выключен. Особенно заметно на спортивных каналах, когда за мячом тянется приличный хвост. И никакие регулировки Judder и Blur не помогают.
Комментарий 101010988
Проблема бредовая так заем теперь спрашивается нужен truemotion 400 герц если одни шлейфы МАРКЕТИНГ БЕРЕТ СВОЕ обидно ТРюмоушен нужен для 3 Д мои выводы
Проблема бредовая так заем теперь спрашивается нужен truemotion 400 герц если одни шлейфы МАРКЕТИНГ БЕРЕТ СВОЕ обидно ТРюмоушен нужен для 3 Д мои выводы
У меня такой проблемы не наблюдается. Картинка как-то не естественно ускоряется, но не рвётся. В 3d эта функция помогает избавиться от раздвоения вылетов, но не всех.
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