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Сломалась кнопка, заказывал в китае 4 штуки сразу, т.к. в РФ не мог найти копеечной детальки. Итог 120р на алике и вуяля, мышь снова в строю, еще лет на 7.
Комментарий:
Пользуюсь этой мышкой с 2015 года. Идеальная. Для работы в любом IDE редакторе, офисе и т.д.
Рука не устает, очень удобно пользоваться, раз в 2-3 дня чистить только шар, чтобы был чистый и все, меняй батарейку и радуйся.
Не было никогда никаких проблем, кроме вылетевшей, в виду старости, внопки, которую пришлось заказывать на алике, но поменял обе минут за 10 при нормальном паяльнике и фене.
За столько лет, а прошло уже 7, это ежедневный инструмент мой. В играх - это, разумеется, бессмысленная вещь, но при работе настолько удобно, что и говорить тут нечего. Жаль ушла с рынка. Хотел купить следующую модель Трекбол Logitech MX ERGO, но цена сначала была норм, около 4.000, сейчас она стоит все 14.000 даже на маркете. В паре с беспроводной клавиатурой от этого же бренда и позционированием на 2-3 устройства, а у меня 2 ноута, это примерно 25.000-30.000 тысяч. Думаю все-таки куплю, но чуть попозже, когда будет прям невмоготу :)
Но кто еще сомневается в покупке - зря. покупайте, удобно, качественно, долговечно.
Отлично закрекомендовавшая себя на рынке модель с классическим минималистичным дизайном.
Освобождает место на столе, так как не требует коврика и места "на разбег".
Недостатки:
- Откровенно слабое позиционирование по сравнению с мышью (особенно игровой). Для офиса - отлично, разгрузить руку, но у меня работает в паре с изредка используемой для CAD-программ и игрушек мышью.
- Действительно часто нужно чистить сам шарик. Я чищу примерно раз в 11-часовую рабочую смену.
- Как-то загадочно то работает, то не работает колесо на клик. Решается запуском комплектного ПО, но в 21 году странно ставить отдельную софтину для трэкбола с пятью кнопками.
- Через 10 месяцев активной ужудневной эксплуатации начал сбоить переключатель левой кнопки мыши на моём устройстве. У менее активных пользователей такая проблема не наблюдается (три устройства в группе наблюдения)
Комментарий:
Всё было бы хорошо, но удаленку решили продлить - и появилась задача оборудовать рабочее место дома.
Чтобы как-то разнообразить работу, решил попробовать вертикальные мышки и трекболы в качестве замены традиционной мышке.
По аналогии со старшей моделью (на ту стало жалко денег) распечатал на 3Д принтере подставку, которая доворачивает трекбол на 45 градусов - рука теперь лежит на ней на манер вертикальной мыши. Стало действительно удобно.
Подставку, кстати, нашел по индексу модели на thingiverse и даже не перерисовывал особенно.
В итоге примерно на 10 часов работы с трекболом применяю обычную мышь примерно час. В сочетании с разминкамии кистей практически забыл про какие-то усталости в запястье и предплечье.
Впрочем, есть серьёзное подозрение, что если бы не чтения статей об эргономике рабочего места и опасностях обычной мыши в начале карантина, то ни о каких усталостях я бы и не думал. Но то совершенно другая история.
Эргономичность, дизайн, качество сборки, длительность работы от батарейки. Точность позиционирования курсора. Требуется меньше рабочего места на столе, чем при использовании мыши. Одинаковая работа на любой поверхности (точнее, полная независимость от типа поверхности). Можно привязывать несколько устройств Logitech к одному приемнику.
Недостатки:
Модель подходит только для пользователей-правшей. Шарик необходимо достаточно часто чистить.
Комментарий:
Приобрел трекбол для работы с ноутбуком в условиях стесненного пространства. Остался очень доволен, трекбол удобен в работе и подходит для большинства задач, кроме, пожалуй, ряда игр. Мне нравится, что можно точно позиционировать курсор минимальным усилием большого пальца. Кроме того, в отличие от мыши, мы фактически получаем бесконечное пространство для перемещения курсора. Там, где мышь нужно отрывать от поверхности и возврашать к началу, мы просто продолжаем прокручивать шарик.
Хорошая форма и угол, достаточно плавно вращается шар. Заряд держит около года, с этим не соврали
Недостатки:
Очень редко любит отваливаться на доли секунды, скорее всего из-за расположения свистка.
Баги со скролом в браузере (Chrome, если конкретнее). Плавная прокрутка отключена, но почему-то иногда начинает работать. Помогает смена фокуса на другое окно и обратно
Комментарий:
Есть уже 2 таких - домашний и рабочий. Плюс ещё в подарок покупал. Отличный трекбол, есть переназначение действий клавиш около ЛКМ.
Хорошая эргономика. В сравнении с обычными мышами рука полностью лежит на ней и меньше устает. Заявленая живучесть от батарейки. Достаточно устойчивая и не скользит. Нет зависимости от поверхности - на то он и трекбол. Без проблем работает с Linux.
Недостатки:
Нет инерционного скрола (решаемо с привязкой клавиши модификатора к скролу шариком)
Периодиески необходима чистка.
Слегка потеет рука.
Хрен достанешь в России - в крупных сетях только MX Ergo, хоть эту модель и не снимали с производства. Еле нашел продавца на авито с адекватной ценой.
Комментарий:
В целом привыкание к довольно быстрое (возможно связано с тем что активно использую Стимовский геймпад с эмуляцией трекбола) Шарик скользит легко и почти без усилий. С навигацией между 2 экранами никаких проблем нет - у датчика настраиваемая чувствительность и у шарика в случае чего есть инерция. Пишут что девайс неплох для профилактики RSI - у меня его нет, но по крайней мере исчезла проблема с натиранием косточки на запястье которая преследовала на обычных мышах.
старый за 5 лет уже кнопки плохо нажимались, да и купил на всякий случай новый - вдруг всё пропадёт, а трекболы не очень популярны.
Теперь пользуюсь новым, На работе мышь, дома трекбол, зато можно где угодно шарик крутить, на диване, кресле, стол рабочий не нужен если монитор большой.
Пользуюсь уже очень давно, отличный вариант обратной мыши, рука не устает, быстрее обычной раза в три, правда у меня проводная, но суть та же
Недостатки:
Нет
Комментарий:
жалко что мало вариантов в дизайне, очень рекомендую всем друзьям, многие купили и заценили
3 года назад, Москва
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