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Увеличить
Опыт использования:
менее месяца
Достоинства:
Очень, очень качественный звук ! (только не со всех устройств) Насыщенный БАСС ! (это Я люблю)
Недостатки:
Недостатков для себя любимого, - не нашел !
Комментарий:
Покупал примерно 2 мес. назад. Для своего велосипеда. А так же для домашнего прослушивания. В первый раз включил колонку со своего дешёвого смартфона LG X145 Понравилась, но как то не был прям очень доволен. Добавлю, что плеер установлен AIMP на смартфоне (укороченная версия 8 полос эквалайзера) Решил подключить к ноутбуку через провод. На ноутбуке тоже установлен плеер AIMP только версия не укороченная (как на смартфоне) 18 полос эквалайзера. Вот тут то Я был просто в приятном шоке. Звук совсем другой ! (песня та же) "Так вот как оказывается ты умеешь звучать" (мысли вслух) Для себя сделал вывод; Хочешь хороший звук ? Не подключай эту колонку к всякой дешевой ерунде ... Так что, следующая покупка для Меня и этой колонки, будет HI FI плеер. Так как, на моём смартфоне (после прослушивания на ноутбуке) Мне уже ее слушать не хочется.
6 лет назадМосква
Комментарий 6418371
Эквалайзер имеется, кто не знает. У нас в России это ни в одном обзоре, нигде не говорится. Нужно зажать две крайние левые кнопки (блютуз и уменьш. громкости) на 10 сек. во время воспроизведения. И звук будет другой. Зажать еще раз на 10 сек и вернется басистый звук.
Эквалайзер имеется, кто не знает. У нас в России это ни в одном обзоре, нигде не говорится. Нужно зажать две крайние левые кнопки (блютуз и уменьш. громкости) на 10 сек. во время воспроизведения. И звук будет другой. Зажать еще раз на 10 сек и вернется басистый звук.
Комментарий 6418507
Весь интернет перерыл, прежде чем брать, даже писал в JBL, чтобы разьяснить ситуацию с акб. Перечитал все форумы и обзоры. Общался с людьми, которые давно пользуются Xtreme. Думаю, пофиксили проблему с акб, Но проблема была широкомасштабная, репутация этой колонки подсела серьезно. 29 мая возьму сразу 2 колонки, Xtreme и charge 3. В голове не укладывается, почему в продаже нет аккумуляторов для этих портативных колонок на случай чего. Может быть потому, что они вышли на рынок не 10 лет назад. Разбираются они не сложно, как я понял. Поменять при случае можно было бы что угодно, плату, динамик, дифузор, кожух и т. п. Полюбому будущее именно за такими аппаратами (беспроводными), просто техника в этом отношений в будущем будет продвигаться дальше, и народ будет брать что удобнее, и дистанционно можно будет передавать проф. звук. Давно пользуюсь блютуз наушниками вставными и никаких проблем не испытаваю ни с качеством звука, и ни с чем другим.
Весь интернет перерыл, прежде чем брать, даже писал в JBL, чтобы разьяснить ситуацию с акб. Перечитал все форумы и обзоры. Общался с людьми, которые давно пользуются Xtreme. Думаю, пофиксили проблему с акб, Но проблема была широкомасштабная, репутация этой колонки подсела серьезно. 29 мая возьму сразу 2 колонки, Xtreme и charge 3. В голове не укладывается, почему в продаже нет аккумуляторов для этих портативных колонок на случай чего. Может быть потому, что они вышли на рынок не 10 лет назад. Разбираются они не сложно, как я понял. Поменять при случае можно было бы что угодно, плату, динамик, дифузор, кожух и т. п. Полюбому будущее именно за такими аппаратами (беспроводными), просто техника в этом отношений в будущем будет продвигаться дальше, и народ будет брать что удобнее, и дистанционно можно будет передавать проф. звук. Давно пользуюсь блютуз наушниками вставными и никаких проблем не испытаваю ни с качеством звука, и ни с чем другим.
Увеличить
Опыт использования:
несколько месяцев
Достоинства:
Батарея, басы, звук, вход для зарядки телефонов( правда этого хватает на +-50% ), для квартиры это очень громко, на улице звучит, как надо.
Недостатки:
МОЛНИЯ. ЗАЧЕМ?! Нет обновления до JBL Conect+ ( как это было с Charge 3), и его уже точно не будет. Возможно в данной колонке невозможно это реализовать ( но всё же обидно ). Я не понимаю почему, но когда я купил колонку привёз её домой ( она была разряжена), поставил на зарядку, жду - жду, в итоге до 4 с половиной она зарядилась за 15 минут, думаю: "Странно, почему так быстро." Из - за того, что до покупки я смотрел много видео о данной колонке, и знал о том, что у Xtreme есть такая болезнь с батарейками, я понимал, что возможно это настигло и мою колонку. Жду-жду в итоге через несколько часов ( +-4) отключаю её, когда там продалжал мигать 5 индикатор. И в приложении JBL показывает, что колонка заряженна , где-то ( на глаз ) на 75%. В итоге я решил, что не буду обращаться в магазин, где я его покупал, чтобы не разбираться и не тратить время. В прочем у меня есть гарантия на год, поэтому в любой момент могу придъявить. Не минус , а скорее неудобство, что у колонки свой адаптер, и его всё время приходится брать собой, скорее всего это связано из-за большого объёма батареи ( в принципе можно простить ). Ремешок, который через месяц стал сам весь ободранный в месте где он соприкасается с петлями, и сами петли тоже натёрлись в усмерть.
Комментарий:
Это первая моя колонка JBL, и сразу же компания JBL показывает себя с лучшей стороны. Кстати, если у вас есть друзья, которым надо сунуть пальцы в пассивный излучатель, когда он колебаться, лучше прячьте колонку, или избавляйтесь от таких друзей. У меня просто уже пацарапался один излучатель, и к сожалению их нельзя купить ( по крайней мере так написали представители компании JBL в своей официальной группе в ВКонтакте).
5 лет назадНовосибирск
Достоинства:
Всё отлично
Недостатки:
Нет
Комментарий:
Того стоит
5 месяцев назад
Опыт использования:
несколько месяцев
Достоинства:
Шикарный звук, неожиданно, но больше всего понравилось, как она отыгрывает классику. Так что это далеко не бухалка для пацанов, но полноценная колонка с шикарным звуком. Басов не слишком много, высокие не утоплены, в общем, не колонка, а сказка. Про качество сборки и комплектацию говорить не приходится -- это JBL... Ремень с открывашкей просто бомба, ине она вряд ли пригодится, но всё равно приятно...
Недостатки:
Крышка, защищающая от влаги все разъёмы очень плотная, так что когда её нужно открывать, приходится попотеть... Но этим мы расплачиваемся за надёжную защиту от воды. А так как я в основном использую эту колонку стационарно, подключая к компьютеру, и, следовательно, в неё всегда воткнут аудиокабель, для меня этот минус некритичен.
Комментарий:
Цена может кому-то показаться слишком большой. Но это тот редкий случай, когда оно того стоит. До 25 тысяч по совокупности характеристик, удобству использования, качеству звука, портативности и надёжности ничего лучше я не нашёл. 10 из 10, всем рекомендую, вряд ли она вас разочарует.
3 года назадЭлектросталь
Опыт использования:
несколько месяцев
Достоинства:
Звук. Внешний вид. Не боится воды(без фанатизма). Хороший микрофон. PowerBank.
Недостатки:
Избыточные басы при тихом прослушивании или в маленьком помещении. Нет эквалайзера. Отсутсвует ремешок(хотя в комплектации заявлено, что есть) наверно ,,, вытащили.(( Из-за этого одной рукой ухватить тяжело. Если кто подскажет где найти такой ремешок - буду крайне признателен. ( спустя больше полу года нашёл! прошу прощения за клевету, нашёл ремешок, был на дне коробке, в отсеке. Думаю так многие не находят ))) Зарядка от 220В (не напрягает)
Комментарий:
Конёк этой колонки это конечно же звук. Он действительно качественный и, если это нужно, очень громкий! Причем качество звука, с увеличением громкости, не падает! По мне - в колонке бас не подходит для тихого прослушивания либо не большого помещения. Он избыточен и порой сильно гудит. По этому тихонечко, слушать мне не всегда приятно. Другое дело на шумной вечеринке или открытом пространстве - эта колонка ЗВЕЗДА! Для этого Xtreme и предназначена. Работает достаточно долго, наверное как и заявлено. не проверял, устраивает. По поводу зарядки - многие ругают, что отсутсвует контроллер, и при оставленной включенной в розетку колонки,зарядка не прекращается, по этому через какое то время, аккумулятор выходит из строя. Однако,замечу, что у меня такой проблемы НЕТ. После 4 часов, как и заявлено, зарядки - она отключается. Но все равно слежу, что бы лишнее время не стояла на зарядке. И , читал в отзывах, рекомендуют не использовать колонку во время зарядки - все для продления жизни аккумулятору (тоже блюжу:)),который, к слову, не меняется! Хотел именно такую, хотя целесообразнее взять было, для моего режима эксплуатации (98 % дома для себя и 2% на вечеринке, улица) JBL Charge 3, Но, повторюсь, хотел именно Xtreme, о чем практически не жалею, Потерянный шнурок оказался на дне коробке, считаю что не заметно уложен!))
6 лет назадМосква
Достоинства:
Громкая, достойно держит батарею
Недостатки:
Нет
Комментарий:
Пару раз брал с отбой в Гоа и в Тай, для мини пати на пляже. Вполне себе) После этого дома иногда включаю , уже года 4 как работает и работает)
2 года назадМосква
Опыт использования:
более года
Достоинства:
Качество сборки, звука, материалов на высоте. Батарею реально держит долго. Быстро заряжается. Защита от брызг. Вау эффект гарантирован.
Недостатки:
Пока не выявил. Дополняю отзыв. Спустя 1.5 года аккум сдох, ремонт делают только у официалов за 5000. Сказали ставят новый аккумулятор большей емкости и более надежный.Сейчас пользуюсь и заряд действительно держит в 1.5 раза дольше чем раньше. Ну 5000 конечно очень дорого.(((
Комментарий:
Перешел на нее с charge2. Конечно это 2 совершенно разные колонки, поэтому разница в звуке такая же. Играет ярче сочнее громчепослушайтемуме так же чисто без вопросов. Хотел себе riva, но в россии ее не продают, а с доставкой уж совсем дорого получалось. Остановился на ней. По поводу средних частот как тут пишут, скорее я соглашусь что их не хватает. Как будто они приглушенные. Своя зарядка это скорее плюс чем минус. На чардже заряжал всем подряд через микро юсб, да удобно но аккум по-моему стал хуже держать. Здесь только своей. Заряжает очень быстро. Из минусов само зарядное устройство большое как от ноутбука. За 15990 лучше звука не найти, только riva если. Системные звуки абсолютно не раздражают. Дома слушаю теперь только ее. После каждого включения понимаешь реально вещь. Басы есть и они реальные, а не гу гу гу. Играет качественно на всех уровнях громкости. Ощущение что она создана для электронной музыки. На минимальной громкости есть фоновый звук, но у меня он был и на чардже и до этого колонка была аналогично. Не раздражает. Все устройства подключаются без проблем. Просто послушайте ее в магазине, этого будет достаточно понять насколько она потрясающая. Долго выбирал смотрел слушал и остановился . Очень доволен покупкой рекомендую. Короче ИМПОСИБЛ )))
6 лет назадМосква
Комментарий 6481998
Nassybulin Tim, Интересно, сколько раз вам надо в сервис отдать колонку, чтобы ваша оценка снизилась?)) Как можно дать самую высокую оценку продукту, у которого сдох акум?
Nassybulin Tim, Интересно, сколько раз вам надо в сервис отдать колонку, чтобы ваша оценка снизилась?)) Как можно дать самую высокую оценку продукту, у которого сдох акум?
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Опыт использования:
более года
Достоинства:
Качество звука, дизайн, автономномность. Удобна в использовании. Басы на высоте.
Недостатки:
Недостатков найти не могу. Колонка тяжеловатая, но для меня супер.
Комментарий:
Очень стильная, качественная колонка. Звук-супер. Работает очень долго. Очень громкая. Удобно носить, есть лямка. Покупкой полностью доволен! Рекомендую.
3 года назадМытищи
Опыт использования:
более года
Достоинства:
1. Вес. Спокойно влезает в любой рюкзак, не сильно его утежеляя. 2. Звук. Звук хорош, хоть это мой первый опыт портативной акустики, но к этой по качеству звука никогда претензий не было. 3. Басы. В закрытом помещении до 20 кв.м. хватает. На открытых пространствах чутка не хватает мощности (не только по басам), но потанцевать в окрестности 7 метров можно спокойно. 4. Качество сборки - на высоте. Ничего не отхлебнуло за время использования. (9 месяцев) 5. Аккумулятор. Хватает на часов 6 музыки с максимальной громкостью с перерывами. На вечер с полным зарядом точно хватит. Плюс можно заряжать телефон (хотя пользовался этим только пару раз).
Недостатки:
Порой глючит соединение с маком. Нужно подключаться 2 раза (но это фигня). С айфоном SE таких проблем нет. Микрофон так себе. Но при желании поговорить можно (но не нужно).
Комментарий:
Также использую как колонку к стационарному компу дома. Крайне удобная вещь. Одна из самых окупивших себя покупок по функционалу и полученным эмоциям. Много раз с ней тусил в центре Москвы. Гуляешь по улочном, врубаешь и кайф ) Если на своем плече, слышно потрясно :) Явно рекомендую за свою цену.
5 лет назадМосква
Опыт использования:
более года
Достоинства:
Хороший спутник на долгие вылазки на природу. Прекрасный и громкий звук в довольно компактном размере. Держит батарею уверенно, готов отдавать заряд другим девайсам по USB кабелю.
Недостатки:
нет
Комментарий:
В помещении бас может казаться избыточным, а как по мне, с ним звучание приобретает налет дешевизны и попсятины. На небольшой громкости это не бросается в ухо, даже хорошо – играет тихо, а бас есть! Но на громоксти выше средней звук как в машине у американских афро. Однако высокие не задыхаются, средние тоже звучат достойно, а вот за бас минус звезда. Настроил передачу звука с телека по BT – не нужны никакие ресиверы и прочее лишнее, так что дома тоже есть куда применить, кино смотреть с ним всяко приятней, чем из спикеров телевизора. Можно слушать в ванной комнате, не боясь влаги - тоже плюс, для романтических вечеров, так сказать)) На даче, будучи в известном состоянии, забыл на ночь на уличном столе – пережила сильнейший и долгий дождь, без каких-либо последствий. Покупал вторую в подарок – именинник был просто счастлив! Отличный девайс, однозначно стоит своих денег.
5 лет назадМосква
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