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Опыт использования:
несколько месяцев
Достоинства:
Конструкция отличная. Ощущается как автомат калашникова после Sennheiser`ов. Сборка была не очень. Под одним из амбюшуров прокладка была загнута, что приводило не к плотному прилеганию амбюшура к корпусу. Ручками исправил легко. Звук воздушный, Очень четкое позиционирование источника звука в стереопанорамме, такое ощущение, что звук больше чем стерео. Звук больше для джаза, и женского вокала. Средние ударники просто невероятно реалистично звучат. Басов хватает, но они не имеют "веса" звук немного "подсушеный". Есть несколько перекосов на ачх, Но в основном ровная, почти мониторная. Усилитель нужен приличный. На плеерах и смартфонах звук никакой. Хорошие защелки кабеля на аммбюшурах. Удобно сидят. Долго можно работать в них.
Недостатки:
Звукоизоляция конечно никакая у таких типов наушников, это недостаток. Они просто прозрачные для звука как извне так и звучат наружу громко. Иногда использую как настольные колонки :)
4 года назадСургут
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Опыт использования:
несколько месяцев
Достоинства:
— внешний вид; — небольшой вес (как для планарных наушников); — очень надёжно и удобно сидят на голове, мощный хват; — мягкие, удобные, легко снимающиеся амбушюры (точно такие же, кстати, как и на флагмане Hifiman Susvara, которые, на минутку, стоят шесть тысяч долларов); — открытый тип конструкции — голова не потеет летом, звук лёгкий и воздушный; — ну и, собственно, само звучание. Буду краток — это лучшее, что вы можете купить за 350 долларов. Точка. Они бьют даже в более высокую ценовую категорию, спокойно обыгрывая, например, DT-1990 Pro от Beyerdynamic. Грандиозный, чистый, детальный, открытый звук, расположенный на достаточно крупной сцене, на которой без проблем определяется местонахождение каждого слышимого инструмента. Потрясающе!
Недостатки:
— отвратительный кабель в комплекте — проблема всех наушников Hifiman. Он юзабелен, но и только — и то, не без боли. Рекомендую потратить ещё несколько десятков долларов на хороший, сторонний кабель. Я так и сделал. — больше ничего — они идеальны.
Комментарий:
Пользуюсь этими малышками уже полгода — с марта. До них какое-то время у меня были более дорогие DT-1990 Pro и HD 660S — что те, что другие, на мой личный вкус, "Сундарке" по качеству звучания проигрывают, хотя стоят заметно дороже. Это лучшие наушники из всех, которые у меня когда-либо были. Всячески рекомендую! Использую их в паре с внутренней звуковой картой от Creative, Sound BlasterX AE-5 — звук чистый, детальный, громкий и приятный, запаса громкости ещё очень много! Приятного использования и не менее приятного прослушивания любимой музыки — с этими ушками вы забудете о том, что музыка может звучать как-то иначе, чем "невероятно". :)
2 года назадМосква
Комментарий 158693773
ссылочку на нормальный кабель можно?
ссылочку на нормальный кабель можно?
Опыт использования:
несколько месяцев
Достоинства:
Звук, звук и ещё раз звук. Чистота, детальность, достоверность, сцена, тут на высоте всё. Я даже не знаю к чему докопаться. Использую с Топпингами L30+E30. Дизайн. Радуют глаз и наушники, и упаковка. Мне практически не с чем сравнивать, но... До этих ушей короткое время пользовался планарными HE-5XX (не являются перевыпуском успешных HE-500, по мнению интернета крайне схожи с Hifiman Deva), ушки были крайне комфортными и весьма достойными, но по какой-то причине звук на них куда менее "живой" и имеет более отстранённое, безучастное звучание. Сандара звучит куда живее.
Недостатки:
Комплектный кабель коротковат и не внушает надёжности. Проблемы с НЧ в старой ревизии: Существует 2 ревизии данных наушников, старая и 2020. У более новой по другому, более надёжно приклеены амбушюры. По всей видимости это положительно влияет и на звук и в частности НЧ. Кстати я не знаю какая у меня ревизия, но после смены ЦАП с Xonar D1 на Topping E30 пропал как и удобный эквалайзер так и само желание "пошаманить" в принципе, недостатка в басе я не испытываю. В иных случаях добавление нескольких децибел в область 30гц субъективно идёт на пользу. Больше в эквалайзере я ничего не трогал.
Комментарий:
Нужно искать скидки. За рекомендованные продавцом 500$ предложение достойное, но лично меня жаба задушила бы, я брал по скидке. В других странах эта модель продаётся примерно за 350$ и я не думаю что за эту цену у них действительно много конкурентов.
3 года назадВолгоград
Опыт использования:
более года
Достоинства:
1. Отличный звук (с оговорками - см. комментарии) 2. Сравнительно невысокая цена ;) 3. Добротно сделанное оголовье и крепление чашек (в отличие от 400i) 4. Отличный внешний вид и эргономика (по сравнению с другими изодинамиками)
Недостатки:
1. Плохая звукоизоляция (для открытых изодинамов это обычно) 2. Шнурок не внушает доверия, хотя за год использования не оторвался и не развалился 3. Не очень хорош с ламповыми усилителями
Комментарий:
За свою цену - хорошие изодинамики. Детальный звук, немного ярчат и теплят. Превосходно отыгрывает средние частоты т.е. там, где упор идет на вокал. Низы тоже ничего. Басов достаточно, они четкие, но чуть суховатые. Для любителей жирного и размазанного баса в духе 600-х сеннов или ATH младших серий могут не понравиться. Если спелись с источником и ушником, то абсолютно всеядны. Предпочитаю слушать в них хэви, хардрок, классику и этнический вокал. Верха - обычные для недорогой изодинамики; откровений в стиле Audeze за 100+k ждать, увы, не приходится. Наушники чрезвычайно отзывчивы на источник и ушной усилитель. Результат наполовину будет зависеть именно от них. К смарту подключить формально можно, но покупать такие уши под смарт или встройку - глупость. К сундаре рекомендуются дискретные транзисторные либо гибридные усилители с низким выходным сопротивлением, способные выдавать ток высокой амплитуды. Таких на рынке не так уж и много. Для таких ушей нижний уровень - это ушник в З.К. АЕ-5 (9). Еще лучше играют на внешнем ушнике с выходным каскадом на мосфетах. Если не спелись с источником, то дают маловыраженные бас и динамику; могут показаться мыльными, скучными или даже давать слышимые искажения, которые отсутствуют на динамике (такое тоже слышал). Подобные уши обычно берут люди, которые знакомы со спецификой изодинамических ушей и готовы мириться с их недостатками. Недостатки связаны, прежде всего, с габаритами, необходимостью иметь качественный источник и сниженным (по сравнению динамическими) ресурсом мембран. Но при грамотном подходе изодинамические уши могут наградить вас звуком, порой недостижимым для классических динамических ушей.
4 года назадМосква
Комментарий 103572933
Вы написали о специфических усилителях, не могли бы привести примеры?
Вы написали о специфических усилителях, не могли бы привести примеры?
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Опыт использования:
менее месяца
Достоинства:
Звук, удобство посадки, надежность металлической конструкции корпуса.
Недостатки:
Ужасный провод, по своим качествам напоминающий шланг. Открытость конструкции (наушники транслируют звук как внутрь так и вовне), хотя для меня это не было недостатком, я наушники покупал для домашнего прослушивания.
Комментарий:
Начну с эргономики: наушники на мою голову сели идеально, в чашах осталось достаточно много места под уши, так что, думаю, люди с большими ушами останутся довольны. Весят мало, сидят не слишком плотно. находиться в них без усталости можно очень продолжительное время. По звучанию. Наушники о̲ч̲е̲н̲ь̲ требовательны к усилителю. Что-бы их раскачать на достаточном уровне, требуется усилитель хотя-бы уровня FOSTEX HP-A4BL. Соответственно чем выше классом и мощностью усилитель вы будете использовать, тем более качественное звучание вы получите в итоге. Звучание теплое, светлое и воздушное. Подача нейтральная. Детальность не потрясающая, но очень хорошая для этого, ценового сегмента. Баса, на мой, субъективный вкус хватает. Не хватает суб-басов, но опять же совсем не значительно, и в других наушниках этого, ценового уровня дела обстоят не лучше. Наушники не всеядны, дефекты записи слышны, но при этом наушники не стараются "выпячивать" их. Верхние частоты не задраны, ВЧ-фобы могут не бояться послушать их в каком-нибудь магазине. Наушники точно не для всех, перед покупкой обязательно послушайте их в магазине. А я доволен приобретением :)
4 года назадЕкатеринбург
Комментарий 104342500
В каких наушниках вы потрясающую детализацию услышали?
В каких наушниках вы потрясающую детализацию услышали?
Опыт использования:
менее месяца
Достоинства:
Хорошая детализация звука. Долговечная металлическая конструкция: алюминивые чашки и дужки, стальное оголовье. Усиленная конструкция гнезд для штекеров. Строгий консервативный внешний вид. Тонкие чашки шириной 15мм. Съемный кабель длиной 1.5 метра, прямые штекеры для чашек 3.5мм, угловой штекер для подключения.
Недостатки:
Не являются универсальными для всех стилей музыки. Громко играют наружу (но не так сильно как 400i). Требуют приличного усиления, почти в 2 раза больше чем обычные динамические 32-х омные. Сцена для наушников такой ценовой категории откровенно небольшая. Уменьшенное количество степеней свободы для чашек, из-за металлической конструкции дужек чашки наушников поворачиваются только вокруг продольной горизонтальной оси. Сложить чашки в одной плоскости, например для переноски наушников, не получится. И одевать их тоже не слишком удобно, хочется чуть раскрыть чашки на себя, но они абсолютно неподвижны. Скромная комплектация: в коробке наушники, кабель и адаптер 6.3мм. Заменить амбушюры не так просто. Пластиковые кольца, которые крепятся к чашкам приклеены к самим амбушюрам.
Комментарий:
Звучание близкое к нейтральному, с небольшим акцентом в сторону середины. В отличии от 400i звук более мелодичный, с меньшими искажениями и не такой яркий. Недостаток басов есть, но очень незначительный, уже дело вкуса. Сильнее всего это ощущается на металле, тяжелой энергичной музыке. Для электронной музыки вполне подходят. Подходят к легким стилям музыки: рок, инди, блюз, джаз, амбиент, инструментальная музыка и вокал. Цена в 40 т.р. кажется не вполне обоснованной, 25 - на мой взгляд более подходящая цена.
4 года назадМосква
Комментарий 169905787
можете какие-то посоветовать более подходящие к металлу?
можете какие-то посоветовать более подходящие к металлу?
Имя скрыто
Опыт использования:
менее месяца
Достоинства:
Детальность звука. Довольно комфортные. Середина и ВЧ очень достойные, детальные и воздушные. Сделаны добротно, на вид прочные.
Недостатки:
Комплектный кабель не понравился - как резиновый шланг, пружинистый и неудобный. Впрочем, на звук не влияет. Диапазон НЧ у этих наушников на мой взгляд прилично задушен. В связи с чем они прекрасно подойдут под вокал, джаз, классику и т.п, но электронную музыку, рэп, попсу не отыграют должным образом. Категорически не рекомендую басхедам. В качестве сравнения - Sony MDR-7Z их переиграли. Но они и подороже.
Комментарий:
Вообще, разделяю оценку, которую дал Григорий, даже и добавить нечего почти. Несмотря на небольшой импеданс, у наушников низкая чувствительность. Посему обязателен нормальный усилитель. От смартфонов, встроенных звуковух и звуковух со слабым усилителем не отыграют. Получите плоский и невыразительный звук.
4 года назадЕкатеринбург
Опыт использования:
менее месяца
Достоинства:
Дизайн стал лучше. На голове сидят удобно. Подходят балансные кабели от Denon или Beyerdynamic.
Недостатки:
Звук стал хуже. По ощущениям наушники стали звучать еще "темнее". Если старые he400 можно было слушать с портатива, то эти лучше от стационара далеко не уносить.
Комментарий:
Лучше купить Hifiman He400i/He4xx, сэкономить и радоваться жизни. Или Fostex T60rp
4 года назадМосква
Комментарий 102834748
Егор А., бред полный. По всем параметрам они лучше hi400i.
Егор А., бред полный. По всем параметрам они лучше hi400i.
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Опыт использования:
менее месяца
Достоинства:
Низы суховаты (и плюс и минус). Хороший динамический диапазон (сцена), отыгрывают как классику с органами, скрипками, и тромбонами, так и металл с барабанами. Детализация хорошая, не мажут, т. е. отдельные тарелки в металле, шум ветра, что угодно, всё слышно прекрасно. Хорошая, надёжная конструкция. Съёмный (стандартный 3.5 мм) кабель. Удобные, большие уши. Уши реально большие, мне, вроде подошла минимальная или +1 позиция душки, пойдёт на ещё большие головы. Мягкие амбушюры, что компенсирует недостаток вращения конструкции. Хорошая двойная упаковка, в обоих коробках силикагель, во внешней ещё дополнительные смягчители для лучшей защиты при транспортировке.
Недостатки:
Ну такой себе звук в целом, откровенно говоря - кривой. НЧ довольно хорошие и ровные, СЧ странные с провалом, а а на ВЧ неровные совсем. на тесте аж воют, это не понятно. В спектре на частотах 10-12 кГц ушами слышатся отчётливые неровности, на куче оборудования от дешёвых затычек до проф. мониторов рядом я этого не наблюдаю. Где-то в районе от 2 до 5 кГц тоже какая-то ерунда, слышная, например, на женском вокале, тест тоже показывает яму в этой области, опять же куча оборудования разных классов рядом, там везде лучше, даже на наушниках за ~20$ гораздо лучше. Низы суховаты (и плюс и минус). Вращение только в одной плоскости (в принципе можно немного погнуть металлическую душку, но это костыли), в принципе скомпенсировано мягкими амбушюрами. Тяжёлые, я не знаю как кому, но мне почти 400 г. на голове совсем не в радость, много часов носить не очень, около 150-200 г - нормально. Уши реально большие и тяжёлые, на небольшой голове будет совсем грустно. О вариантах использовать в детском возрасте - вообще забудьте. Кабель какой то унылый, не мягкий и толком не гибкий, как шланг, да и я бы предпочёл 3 метра. Нулевая звукоизоляция, как и у любых наушников открытого типа. Для дома, с оговорками, пойдёт, для чего либо ещё нет. Как мониторы абсолютно не годятся из-за неровностей и открытой конструкции ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Цена завышена, я брал в сентябре '20 с Али вместе с доставкой за 27357.31 руб (это по летней акции от официального магазина HifiMan и со скидкой от площадки ещё около 1500 рублей). Доставка получилась из Москвы в Зеленоград курьером через 5 дней после заказа.
Комментарий:
В итоге оформил возврат, ерунда с настолько кривым спектром, что это явно слышно в звуке, совершенно не понятна :| Замени производитель большую часть металла на пластик, стало бы лучше ибо изодинамические излучатели сами по себе тяжёлые и лишние 50, а может и все 70 г. это не мало. Никому не рекомендую ни эту модель, ни другие модели компании HifiMan ибо это такая же чушь как и аудифильские кабели питания 230 В для усилителя длиной полметра и стоимостью 30-40$ и прочий бред, к реальной качественной технике этот хлам не имеет никакого отношения, цена не гарантирует ничего. P.S. Я их конечно не прогрел (производитель рекомендует 150 часов), прогнозирую, что вряд-ли что-то поменяется принципиально ибо наушники откровенное дно, такой кривой звуковой техники ещё поискать надо.
3 года назадЗеленоград
Комментарий 104367932
Кто прочитал отзыв Алексея, просто имейте ввиду, что человек говорит о звуке магнепланарных наушников от звуковухи с Алиэкспресса за 2.1к рублей. (см. комментарии под отзывами выше)
Кто прочитал отзыв Алексея, просто имейте ввиду, что человек говорит о звуке магнепланарных наушников от звуковухи с Алиэкспресса за 2.1к рублей. (см. комментарии под отзывами выше)
Комментарий 159176696
Человек не отличает сцену от динамического диапазона... дальше можно и не читать, в принципе.
Человек не отличает сцену от динамического диапазона... дальше можно и не читать, в принципе.
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