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MICHELIN Primacy 4 летняя
Шины летние Michelin Primacy 4 165/65 R15 81 T

Цена с картой Яндекс Пэй:13 791

Скидка: 1%
–1 %
Вместо: 13 930
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Очень комфортная шина. Ооочень короткий тормозной путь. Как на сухой так и мокрой дороге. Был очень приятно удивлен что даже на так называемом "мыле" на дороге тормозит как на сухом асфальте.
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Автомобиль Мазда 3 Стал немного "ватный" руль.
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Проехал около 1000 км до этого стояла Бриджстон Ми 2. Очень долго искал какие нибудь отзывы но кроме официального с сайта Мишлен ничего не нашел но все же решил приобрести так как постоянно летом только на Мишлене. На Бридж проездил случайно. Мишлен примас 4 шина очень комфортная, не шумная, приятно на ней передвигаться. В резких поворотах держиться очень уверенно но на Бриджике было немного лучше, но она была гораздо жеще, в занос не срывается но как бы немного сильнее крениться автомобиль. Тормоза просто Идеальные лучше резины еще у меня небыло, хотя есть с чем сравнивать. Трэдвер 340 кто не знает что это напишу-прогнозируемый побег шин 340 это примерно на 40000 но судя по официальным описаниям рассчитываю минимун на 50-60, ну посмотрим. В сильные ямы не попадал. Боковина мягковата но боковой усилитель есть. Размер 205/55 р16. Цена 4.300 производитель Россия. Про Российского производителя был Мишлен энержи РФ брал в 2010 году отлично отслужила, 80000 на Дэо. Сейчас зима нокиан тоже РФ брал в 2014 году 4зимы еще 5 мм из 8 протектора осталось. Надеюсь ничего не изменилось. Надеюсь что мой отзыв вам поможет.
6 лет назадКраснодар
Комментарий 100512006
Энерджи стояли на ДЭО тяжело сравнить. Могу точно сказать что примаси мягче, тормозят гораздо лучше. Энерджи вроде тоже были не шумные.
Энерджи стояли на ДЭО тяжело сравнить. Могу точно сказать что примаси мягче, тормозят гораздо лучше. Энерджи вроде тоже были не шумные.
Комментарий 101900050
Сергей Вербицкий, Жеще - это на каком языке?
Сергей Вербицкий, Жеще - это на каком языке?
Увеличить
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Рулится четко, катит тихо, не жалею о приобретении, сильно поменялось ощущение от вождения, очень нравится!! Сравниваю с Hankook Ventus Prime2 на Kia Ceed 2013, это нужно понимать четко!, так как при выборе прочитал много отзывов и иногда не понимаешь реальность, человек описывает ощущения и сравнивает с какой нибудь ауди и нокией – это конечно совсем другое.
Недостатки:
Цена. Попрощаться с почти 19 000 было сложно:). Возможно качество и должно столько стоить:). Резина MADE IN RUSSIA (и поиск оригиналов не увенчался успехом, нигде не смог найти другого производителя). И еще обратил внимание, машина стала хуже идти накатом (полностью останавливается раньше, чем на дубовой Hankook, проезжает меньшее расстояние "накатом", видимо за счет того что мягкая резина, не знаю, сказывается ли это на расходе топлива (по идее должно), но как факт заметил это...
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Второй сезон катаю на Michelin Primacy 4 205/55 R16 91V. Взял Ceed с салона на резине Hankook Ventus Prime2, прошел на ней 6 лет - как оказалось жесткая и шумная, но ездил и все устраивало. Время менять и после долгих поисков, статей, отзывов, мнений приобретен Michelin Primacy 4. Первое впечатление – давление 2,2 выехал с шиномонтажки и сразу прикололся! Резина мягкая, такое ощущение было, что авто другое. По шуму резина тихая, шумка на Сиде оставляет желать лучшего и все зависит от покрытия асфальтного, но она порядком тише предыдущей. Далее по управляемости. (Обычно езжу спокойно, но были случаи по хорошим дорогам на Hankook 200+ (сейчас вспоминаю, зачем..? но ехала неплохо, машина прижалась к земле, немного рыскала, приходилось подруливать. На Michelin больше 160 не ездил, очень уверенный ход, едет прямо, как по рельсам. Далее очень положительный момент ощутил на колее. Есть у нас между городом и пригородом - трасса, левая полоса обоих сторон, как всегда бывает в колее и вот что порадовало, на Hankook проход по колее чувствовался так - ты резко в нее проваливался, а потом очень трудно выехать, резко вылетаешь из нее. На Michelin не чувствуешь колею, то есть ты пересекаешь ее слева на право и обратно, и на управление это не влияет, никаких усилий и напрягов, просто переезжаешь бугорки и все, предполагаю, что за счет борта и мягкости резины она цепляется за края колеи и поэтому не ощущаешь перехода, более глубокую колею конечно чувствуешь, но, рулится машина намного приятнее. По дождю покатался, на 60-70 залетал в лужи и ехал по ним, если там не «море» конечно, машина очень достойно продолжает ехать прямо и чувство потери управляемости не ощущается. ИТОГО. 6 Лет Hankook, 2ой год Michelin - Знал бы, что такая разница, давно бы взял Michelin!!! Вопрос к KIA – зачем вы продаете свои машины на такой резине? Меня Michelin устроил полностью, самый главный вопрос конечно - стоит ли она 4700 за покрышку? и можно ли взять что-то лучше? Я не жалею!!!
3 года назадСургут
Комментарий 150278428
И где это вы за копейки взяли примаси 4?
И где это вы за копейки взяли примаси 4?
Комментарий 150520502
февраль 22 года 7500 за баллон самая дешёвая.
февраль 22 года 7500 за баллон самая дешёвая.
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Отзыв о праймаси 3 и HP в сравнении, праймаси 4 только думаю ставить. Надеюсь не хуже будет. Праймаси 3 сейчас докатываю в ноль, риски уже меньше допустимых сзади, спереди в принципе тоже, но чуть больше. Так вот, даже в таком состоянии весной (поставил месяц назад) ее не срывает по ЗСД и КАД при +0 +5, в принципе если сухо, но небольшой минус езжу без проблем, торможение ОК по сухому асфальту. Доволен, что ее можно ставить пораньше, не слушать шум зимы, и сразу комфорт. Когда снег или морозит утром езжу на другой машине. Про шумность все пишут, и да, эта самая тихая, что я ездил. Сравниваю с конти 5, гудиером ефф грип, бриджами, нокиан и якохамой. Если асфальт на КАДе переложен, заезжаешь на него и полная (!) тишина, абсолютно. Съезжаешь в старый, шумит, но терпимо. Что для меня плюс, это то что праймаси 3 я откатал 80% КАД, ЗСД, но была область и ямы, плюшки, так вот ни одной грыжи не вылезло! Балансировка всегда норм, не взлетная площадка, а 10-30 грамм колесо. Гудиер выкидывал парами, пробивало на ямах, пирели тоже, конти шишками. Нокиан шел шишками. По ямоустойчивости только якохама жила. По мокрому едет норм, на ЗСД что дождь что сухо на круизе 130 не снижаю, проблем не было, в лужу заезжаешь, чуть бьет в руль на входе надо держать, но курс машина держит, и кирпичи не производятся. Субьективно, чем быстрее едешь, тем шина стабильнее. Особенно прямо хоть 100 хоть 160 разницы нет. Пальцем руль двигаешь - машина реагирует. Можно руль дергать рывками на скорости 130, объезжая что-то на каде, не срывается, как будто в городе 60 едешь. Со светофора если надо уехать, впол работает всегда, не буксует (привод перед), буксанет если выезжаешь с территории и руль на 90% то конечно буксанет даже на малом газу. В дождь буксуешь если с места газ, в мокрый асфальт стуканет пару раз, раскрутится и прет без срывов. Из НЕ дубовых шин, это единственные мягкие шины, которые у меня дожили до конца износа, остальные либо шишки, либо воьсмеркой, либо пробивались, езжу быстро.
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конечно цена, дороже захочешь не найдешь новые HP кучу лет назад стоили 5600 вроде праймаси 3 брал за 7500 3-4 года назад сейчас праймаси 4 стоят 12500 это на тот же размер за штуку если бы не опыт грыж и пробивов других покрышек, купил бы в два раза дешевле схожие по шумке шины, но покупать катать год и выкидывать не хочется конти 4-5-6 тоже стоят 10-11, катал на них, мне они нравятся меньше, те плюсов нет, скажем такие же они, а шансы грыж больше, протектор чуть шумнее
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215/50/R17 привод передний 240 сил 1650кг
3 года назадМосква
Комментарий 104732210
Логотип Эксперт MICHELIN
Эксперт MICHELIN
Официальный представитель компании MICHELIN в России
Николай О., спасибо за подробный отзыв! Отличного пользования!
Николай О., спасибо за подробный отзыв! Отличного пользования!
Комментарий 169545128
MICHELIN, подскажите , пожалуйста цена комплекта 205/55/16 ?)
MICHELIN, подскажите , пожалуйста цена комплекта 205/55/16 ?)
Опыт использования:
несколько месяцев
Достоинства:
-Очень качественно сделана для России: никаких небритостей, никакого биения, всё в пределах хорошей, качественной нормы, + очень приятная на ощупь резиновая смесь; -Классно сделаны борта - на ощупь толстые, но не жёсткие, при езде отлично фильтруют неровности; -Отличное сцепление с сухим и мокрым асфальтом; -Чем быстрее едешь, тем тише она кажется - на 140 км/ч разница с моими предыдущими покрышками особенно ощутима; -Потопить в лужах у меня её не получилось в принципе, сопротивление аквапланированию на очень высоком уровне, хотя посмотрим, как она себя проявит, когда износится, чтобы можно было объективнее сравнить; -Колею чувствует, но в пределах комфорта (колейность, вообще говоря, проклятая черта фокусов); -Не дубеет, поэтому до нуля градусов не проигрывает моей зимней липучке.
Недостатки:
-БАЛАНСИРОВКА. Одно колесо 10-50 и два 15-60, такого у меня ещё не было. Это самый большой и, пожалуй, единственный реальный минус на данный момент - если из-за него в течение года колеса не начнут колотить в подвеску, подниму оценку до пяти (на данный момент биений нет, разгонялся до 160 максимально); -Лёгкий руль после 215 гудиера, но человеку дан особый дар самообучаемости и адаптивности к окружающей среде, поэтому для меня это некритично; -Достаточно малая разница в цене с Pilot Sport 4, которую делают в Испании.
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Ford Focus III 2.0 GDI, резина в размерности 205/55/r16 91V, Made in Russia, дата 04 18 (конец января 2018 года). Выбрал эту резину вместо Pilot Sport 4, потому что езжу по преимущественно низкокачественным дорогам, поэтому в приоритете стояла мягкость и хорошая сопротивляемость аквапланированию, и я посчитал, что примаси может за один промежуток времени вмещать в себя и отводить больше воды, чем пилот спорт, т.к. рисунок более изрезанный. Езжу агрессивно, но не гоняюсь с другими участниками, поэтому про "буксует-не буксует с места" - это точно не ко мне, я не буксую даже на липучке в снежной каше, потому что трогаюсь своеобразно. По резине могу сказать следующее: до неё у меня был Goodyear EfficientGrip 215/55/16, с ней был более чёткий центр руля и ощущение управления картингом на сухом асфальте, в остальном сплошные минусы по сравнению с мишленом - протектор жёсткий и при этом быстро износился, ниже +5 резина отказывалась держать дорогу в принципе, ощутимо проигрывала в сопротивляемости аквапланированию уже с завода, шумнее работала, в колеях и на неровных дорогах была неустойчивой. 4 звезды исключительно за балансировку, галочка "не рекомендую" - за то, что есть Pilot Sport 4, который я на данный момент рекомендую вместо примаси по причине малой разницы в цене, Испанского производства и всех фишках UHP с держаком. А в остальном примаси 4 - отличная резина. UPD: Проехал 9 тысяч километров за лето, износ средних канавок на передних колёсах 0.9 мм - учитывая глубину протектора новой резины в 7.3-7.4 мм, резина пройдёт 60 тысяч км., и это если не перекидывать. С перекидыванием и все 80-90 тысяч могут оказаться реальностью. После обкатки резина и управляться стала довольно неплохо. Несмотря на мягкость, свойства сохранялись вплоть до +35 (жарче не было), шины не расплывались. Тормозит так, что звёзды из глаз вылетают. В общем, минусов не нашёл. Колёса колотить не стали. Поднимаю оценку до пяти - резина супер! Благодаря ней решил, что зима будет тоже мишлен.
5 лет назадЕкатеринбург
Комментарий 101950500
Марк Ч., Я тоже их купил и у мен на одном колесе который я задел об бордюр 25 75, но при этом я заставил монтажников сделать оптимизацию получил 10 45. Остальные вообще минимум до 25.
Марк Ч., Я тоже их купил и у мен на одном колесе который я задел об бордюр 25 75, но при этом я заставил монтажников сделать оптимизацию получил 10 45. Остальные вообще минимум до 25.
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Марк Ч., Спасибо что дополнил отзыв спустя время и дал людям информацию. Низкий поклон
Марк Ч., Спасибо что дополнил отзыв спустя время и дал людям информацию. Низкий поклон
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На 2.2 "держак" бешеный. Спустить до 2атм - мягкота как на облаке.
Недостатки:
Не совсем внятное позиционирование шины компанией.
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На лексус поставил Пилот4, из-за многочисленных хвалебных Од. Интересная резина: несколько шумновата, достаточно дорога, но по кайфам опережает всё что у меня было. Но серии "пилот" нет в размера на 15", потому выбирал для VW polo liftback между XM2+ и Primacy4. В процессе поисков никто внятно не может объяснить разницу между модялями Энержи и Примаси. Фирма производитель юлИт так что аж диву даешься. Типа обе хороши, без недостатков. Насколько я интуитивно понял, Энержи меньше расход, Примасу больше держак. Решил переплатить за Примасу по 1000 рублей с колеса, отчасти за мелькающее в отзывах слово "премиум". Также в погоне за "мягкотой" взял на 5% толще, вместо 185/60р15 => 185/65 но ... пожалел :( -1. Стало ооочень тяжело в разгоне -2. БензиноЖёр - на литер больше -3. Скорости надо по новой учится переключать (у меня МТ) На предыдущей пятая втыкалась на 40кмч и спокойно вытягивала, сейчас клёкот клапанов уже на 4той. Однако: +1 При давлении 2.2 в повороты на серпантине входит суперклассно, как жесткий бриджстоун, но мелкие неровности глотает, бридж такое не прощал. +2 Решил в городе подспустить. Попробую сначала до 2.0, а там может и до 1.9, но не дошло. На 2.0 машину не узнать, блаженство, ощущение что связи с землей нет. Как на воздушной подушке. Правда пришлось под небольшие клевки носом адаптировать манеру торможения. Ну а перестроения и повороты стали хоть и не такими бритвенными остались супер уверенными. В итоге - доволен? Да! Толко переиграл бы на штатный размер 185/60. Ибо разгон и расход ухудшились совсем не иллюзорно. Покупал в августе за 6350/колесо с монтажём.
Год назадКраснодар
Комментарий 151539441
Логотип Эксперт MICHELIN
Эксперт MICHELIN
Официальный представитель компании MICHELIN в России
Свободный, спасибо за подробный отзыв. Разница в шинах в акцентах. Гамма Energy больше про экономию топлива, прочность и износостойкость. Гамма Primacy тоже про износостойкость, но вместе с комфортом, который вы как раз уже оценили. Видим, что экспериментируете с размерами и давлением, поэтому дадим рекомендацию, которая усреднит показатели шин до тех параметров, которые мы в неё закладывали. При выборе размера и давление ориентируйтесь на указания завода. Почему это важно? Автопроизводитель проводит различные тесты, чтобы найти наилучшее соотношение характеристик шин и поведения транспортного средства. От правильного давления зависит то, как долго и как хорошо шина прослужит. Рассказывали об этом подробнее: https://www.michelin.ru/auto/tips-and-advice/advice-auto/tyre-pressure-for-cars. Мы рады, что вы довольны покупкой, и желаем приятного пользования!
Свободный, спасибо за подробный отзыв. Разница в шинах в акцентах. Гамма Energy больше про экономию топлива, прочность и износостойкость. Гамма Primacy тоже про износостойкость, но вместе с комфортом, который вы как раз уже оценили. Видим, что экспериментируете с размерами и давлением, поэтому дадим рекомендацию, которая усреднит показатели шин до тех параметров, которые мы в неё закладывали. При выборе размера и давление ориентируйтесь на указания завода. Почему это важно? Автопроизводитель проводит различные тесты, чтобы найти наилучшее соотношение характеристик шин и поведения транспортного средства. От правильного давления зависит то, как долго и как хорошо шина прослужит. Рассказывали об этом подробнее: https://www.michelin.ru/auto/tips-and-advice/advice-auto/tyre-pressure-for-cars. Мы рады, что вы довольны покупкой, и желаем приятного пользования!
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Тихая, мягкая, хорошая управляемость на сухой и мокрой дороге.
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Так как резина мягкая на скорости выше 150 км/ч чувствуется, что машина начинает «рыскать»
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Когда назрел вопрос о замене летней резины Dunop, после длительного изучения рынка, взвешивание всех за и против, я таки выбрал MICHELIN Primacy 4. И, похоже, я нашел лучшую для моего Mitsubishi lancer X резину. На мой взгляд основной плюс MICHELIN это комфорт в езде, а именно: 1 Шума в салоне стало заметно меньше, особенно когда резина прогреется. Это ощутимо, так как в Lancer X шумоизоляции нет вообще. 2 Резина MICHELIN мягкая, поэтому подвеска стала более емкой. Микро рельеф асфальта и мелкие ямки-кочки теперь ощущаются меньше, ушло бряканье супортов. Тоесть решена вторая типовая болячка Lancer) с жесткой подвеской. Покупал резину в феврале, за комплект отдал 47000 рублей.
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Семерка Майская, проверь подвеску у меня на школе Октавия стоял мишелин разгонялся по кад до 180 четко не каких рысканий от у тебя либо развал со схождением гуляет или ушел либо саленблоки меняй короче подвеску делай
Семерка Майская, проверь подвеску у меня на школе Октавия стоял мишелин разгонялся по кад до 180 четко не каких рысканий от у тебя либо развал со схождением гуляет или ушел либо саленблоки меняй короче подвеску делай
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Приобрёл данные шины в размерности 205/55 16 взамен штатных 195/65 15 Continental ContiPremiumContact 2. Автомобиль Ниссан Тиида C11 Конти были на штатных дисках Ниссан шириной 5.5. Мишлен поставил на японские диски шириной 7. Комплект Мишлен обошёлся в 16 800 руб. Производство Россия. Дата - конец декабря 2019. Шиномонтаж делал у своего знакомого. Из 4-х колёс в "0" встало только 1. По остальным был небольшой дисбаланс. Возможно в этом виноваты диски - всё-таки б/у 1997 года)) Прокрутив шину по диску проблемы дисбаланса на остальных колёсах ушли. Грузы вешали от 10 до 30 гр. "Бублик" небольшой присутствует)) За диски можно не переживать. После выезда из шиномонтажа, я сразу же ощутил тишину в салоне. В японских авто, тем более бюджетных, шумоизоляция это слабое место, поэтому разницу почувствовал сразу. На КАД шёл 130 км/ч - всё так же тихо для такой скорости. На дороге авто стоит гораздо лучше, но тут наверное заслуга изменения параметров колёс. В этот же день на КАДе попал в сильный ливень и несколько раз залетал в колею с водой при перестроении. Могу сказать точно, на скорости 110 км/ч аквапланированию противостоит на отлично. Предсказуемо поведение руля и авто. Я доволен. Боковина в меру мягкая, наверное. У конти мягче точно. По износу пока выводов сделать не могу. Возможно, дополню отзыв позже. Владел КонтиПремиумконтакт5 (новый комплект) и КонтиПремиумКонтакт2 (достался с авто от прошлого хозяина), могу сказать точно, Мишлен праймаси 4 точно тише. По остальным параметрам наверное схожи. Из-за изменения параметров колёс, разницы в жёсткости подвески не почуствовал. Так же комфортно как на 15. Возможно в этом тоже есть заслуга резины. В остальном, эксплуатация и время покажет.
3 года назадСанкт-Петербург
Комментарий 103356403
Логотип Эксперт MICHELIN
Эксперт MICHELIN
Официальный представитель компании MICHELIN в России
Антон Р., добрый день! Рады, что вам нравятся шины MICHELIN.
Антон Р., добрый день! Рады, что вам нравятся шины MICHELIN.
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Товар продавца Шинокат
Опыт использования:
несколько месяцев
Достоинства:
Комфортная резина на асфальте, тихая, колейности практически не чувствуется.
Недостатки:
Мокрая трава, сырой грунт (небольшая слякоть) - как корова на льду, чуть уклон в сторону и тут же стаскивает в сторону уклона.
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Брал размер 215/50 r17, резина очень нравится, не вездеход конечно, но в своей стихии очень комфортна. По сравнению с bridgestone turanza t001 очень хорошо справляется с колеёй на асфальте, не думал даже, что так бывает.
7 месяцев назадНижний Новгород
Куплен на Маркете
Товар продавца АвтоВолга Шины Автозавод
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На хорошем асфальте тихая На плохом так себе Хорошо держит дорогу Прошла яму и пробитие (см ниже)
Недостатки:
Резина 20 и 21 года (2 колеса таких, 2 таких). Внешне целая, без трещин Высокая цена за мой радиус 235/45 R18
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KIA Soul 2020, 200 лс Поменял резину. Проехал уже 700 км Держит отлично Не громкая на хорошем асфальте. Но весной его мало, приходиться выезжать из колеи. Прошла пробитие правых колес. На 150 кс/ч попал в яму. При балансировке все нормально, ровные колёса. Производство Испания Я резиной доволен. Только год смущает и высокая цена за мой профиль. Но сейчас ее мало, так что...
Год назадМосква
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Товар продавца MWheels
Рекомендую к покупке данную резину, которая подтверждает качество и пораметры установленные фирмой Michelin. Колеса предназначены для тежелых коммерческих будней, не возникают грыжи от перегруза. Также хорошо ходят по трассе с выборами и трещинами более менее устойчивы к ударам, при этом не теряют свои ходовый качества. Рекомендую к покупке. Проверены относительно большими поездками в Казань, Владимир, Рязань, Брянск, Дивеево, Клин и т.д.
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Очень долго искал какие нибудь отзывы но кроме официального с сайта Мишлен ничего не нашел но все же решил приобрести так как постоянно летом только на Мишлене. На Бридж проездил случайно. Мишлен примас 4 шина очень комфортная, не шумная, приятно на ней передвигаться. В резких поворотах держиться очень уверенно но на Бриджике было немного лучше, но она была гораздо жеще, в занос не срывается но как бы немного сильнее крениться автомобиль. Тормоза просто Идеальные лучше резины еще у меня небыло, хотя есть с чем сравнивать. Трэдвер 340 кто не знает что это напишу-прогнозируемый побег шин 340 это примерно на 40000 но судя по официальным описаниям рассчитываю минимун на 50-60, ну посмотрим. В сильные ямы не попадал. Боковина мягковата но боковой усилитель есть. Размер 205/55 р16. Цена 4.300 производитель Россия. Про Российского производителя был Мишлен энержи РФ брал в 2010 году отлично отслужила, 80000 на Дэо. Сейчас зима нокиан тоже РФ брал в 2014 году 4зимы еще 5 мм из 8 протектора осталось. Надеюсь ничего не изменилось. Надеюсь что мой отзыв вам поможет.","pro":"Очень комфортная шина. Ооочень короткий тормозной путь. Как на сухой так и мокрой дороге. Был очень приятно удивлен что даже на так называемом \"мыле\" на дороге тормозит как на сухом асфальте.\n\n","contra":"Автомобиль Мазда 3 Стал немного \"ватный\" руль. 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Выбрал эту резину вместо Pilot Sport 4, потому что езжу по преимущественно низкокачественным дорогам, поэтому в приоритете стояла мягкость и хорошая сопротивляемость аквапланированию, и я посчитал, что примаси может за один промежуток времени вмещать в себя и отводить больше воды, чем пилот спорт, т.к. рисунок более изрезанный. 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Благодаря ней решил, что зима будет тоже мишлен.","pro":"-Очень качественно сделана для России: никаких небритостей, никакого биения, всё в пределах хорошей, качественной нормы, + очень приятная на ощупь резиновая смесь;\n-Классно сделаны борта - на ощупь толстые, но не жёсткие, при езде отлично фильтруют неровности;\n-Отличное сцепление с сухим и мокрым асфальтом;\n-Чем быстрее едешь, тем тише она кажется - на 140 км/ч разница с моими предыдущими покрышками особенно ощутима;\n-Потопить в лужах у меня её не получилось в принципе, сопротивление аквапланированию на очень высоком уровне, хотя посмотрим, как она себя проявит, когда износится, чтобы можно было объективнее сравнить;\n-Колею чувствует, но в пределах комфорта (колейность, вообще говоря, проклятая черта фокусов);\n-Не дубеет, поэтому до нуля градусов не проигрывает моей зимней липучке.","contra":"-БАЛАНСИРОВКА. Одно колесо 10-50 и два 15-60, такого у меня ещё не было. 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Автомобиль Ниссан Тиида C11\nКонти были на штатных дисках Ниссан шириной 5.5. Мишлен поставил на японские диски шириной 7.\nКомплект Мишлен обошёлся в 16 800 руб. Производство Россия. Дата - конец декабря 2019.\nШиномонтаж делал у своего знакомого. Из 4-х колёс в \"0\" встало только 1. По остальным был небольшой дисбаланс. Возможно в этом виноваты диски - всё-таки б/у 1997 года)) Прокрутив шину по диску проблемы дисбаланса на остальных колёсах ушли. Грузы вешали от 10 до 30 гр. \"Бублик\" небольшой присутствует)) За диски можно не переживать.\nПосле выезда из шиномонтажа, я сразу же ощутил тишину в салоне. В японских авто, тем более бюджетных, шумоизоляция это слабое место, поэтому разницу почувствовал сразу. На КАД шёл 130 км/ч - всё так же тихо для такой скорости.\nНа дороге авто стоит гораздо лучше, но тут наверное заслуга изменения параметров колёс.\nВ этот же день на КАДе попал в сильный ливень и несколько раз залетал в колею с водой при перестроении. Могу сказать точно, на скорости 110 км/ч аквапланированию противостоит на отлично. Предсказуемо поведение руля и авто. Я доволен.\nБоковина в меру мягкая, наверное. У конти мягче точно.\nПо износу пока выводов сделать не могу. Возможно, дополню отзыв позже.\nВладел КонтиПремиумконтакт5 (новый комплект) и КонтиПремиумКонтакт2 (достался с авто от прошлого хозяина), могу сказать точно, Мишлен праймаси 4 точно тише. По остальным параметрам наверное схожи.\nИз-за изменения параметров колёс, разницы в жёсткости подвески не почуствовал. Так же комфортно как на 15. 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Нокиан шел шишками. По ямоустойчивости только якохама жила. По мокрому едет норм, на ЗСД что дождь что сухо на круизе 130 не снижаю, проблем не было, в лужу заезжаешь, чуть бьет в руль на входе надо держать, но курс машина держит, и кирпичи не производятся. Субьективно, чем быстрее едешь, тем шина стабильнее. Особенно прямо хоть 100 хоть 160 разницы нет. Пальцем руль двигаешь - машина реагирует. Можно руль дергать рывками на скорости 130, объезжая что-то на каде, не срывается, как будто в городе 60 едешь. Со светофора если надо уехать, впол работает всегда, не буксует (привод перед), буксанет если выезжаешь с территории и руль на 90% то конечно буксанет даже на малом газу. В дождь буксуешь если с места газ, в мокрый асфальт стуканет пару раз, раскрутится и прет без срывов. 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