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По идее что заявлено. Без ремонтов и значительного износа
Недостатки:
Разного износа колеса.
Комментарий:
Я конечно понимаю что взял 2 из 4х но они разного износа . Важно , что они как заявлено без износа и ремонтов . Так норм если глубоко не копаться. За разумные деньги
Прекрасная курсовая устойчивость, отлично держит в повороте на большой скорости. Очень правильные и предсказуемые реакции. Износоустойчивость 5+++.
Недостатки:
Шум умеренный, но не настолько, как рекламирует производитель. Позиционировалась как "Премиум".
Комментарий:
Машина Passat B6 универсал. Езжу быстро, по трассам часто под 200, но без шлифовок на старте и торможении. Люблю проходить повороты на предельных скоростях (доставляет удовольствие, когда "джип" на хвосте снижает скорость из за крена).
Поставил эту резину при покупке в 2008 году. Пробег на сегодняшний день (если считать зима-лето 50/50) порядка 75 000 км. !!! Визуальный износ протектора 60-70 %.
Как писал выше - поведение резины понятное и стабильное. Но, возможно, торможение по прямой несколько хуже, чем у Energy (когда то стояла на B5).
Но после 7 лет эксплуатации ! все же придется поменять, в силу нескольких ремонтов проколов и естественного износа корда - в прошедший сезон, через месяц теряла баланс.
Почитал, подумал и наверно, опять буду брать Primacy HP.
Всем удачи, друзья ! И уважительного отношения друг к другу, в том числе на дорогах.
Несколько подвержена проколам (следствие мягкости видимо)
Комментарий:
Отъездил неделю на этих шинах и уже могу сказать, что это просто праздник какой-то! Эти шины позиционируются производителем как комфортные для автомобилей представительского и бизнесс классов. И я могу Вас уверить, что они это оправдывают на все 200%! После жёстких и шумных шин Federal SS595 машину просто не узнать - тишина как в самолете, плавность хода такая же. И всё это не в ущерб управляемости. Отличная курсовая устойчивость, машина не рыскает даже на срезанном фрезой асфальте. В дождь по лужам пока не гонял, да и нужно ли вообще это делать (на любых шинах)? Плюс ко всему производитель обещает ходимость на 20% больше чем у конкурентов. В общем я покупкой доволен и потраченых денег не жалко. Чего и Вам желаю.
Дополнение от 19.08.12: Езжу уже третий сезон. Резоной всё так же доволен! За это время понял, что резина несколько подвержена проколам - в первый сезон несколько торчащих саморезов, во второй прокол на большой скорости - пока заметил, пока остановился, балон на выброс :( Всё это следствие мягкости. Увы - совершенства не бывает. Если есть плюс, то скорее всего в чем-то он же и минус. То же Federal SS595 например был настолько дубовый, что мог наверно поспорить в твердости со всяким саморезом.
И еще, я смотрю что многие тут пишут о плохой курсовой устойчивости, мол на колеях выбрасывает. Ребята, покупайте автомобили с нормальной подвеской (многорычажкой), а не там где два колеса на отрезок трубы надето. Тогда и из колеи выбрасывать не будет.
Все отзывы по этой резине перемешаны яндесом, поэтому у каждого разное впечатление, от индекса скорости и нагрузки (как для меня выяснилось) сильно зависит бросание по колеи и громкость стыков асфальта, у меня имеется 2 комплекта: 225/50 R17 98W и 225/50 R17 94Y, у обоих остаток 4мм(покупал БУ с таким остатком), рисунок у обоих почти идентичен (одна полоска в центре только чуть по другому сделана), покупая 98w после 94y сильно боялся, что из-за увеличения нагрузки станет жоще боковина и упадет комфорт, но переобувшись на 98w мало того что стыки стали более тихими, так еще и перестало кидать по колее, на вопрос "почему?", я так и не смог дать себе ответа. Такчто при выборе этой или другой резины учитывайте, что: 1. большинство покупает резину смотря только на букву R (после чего иногда можно голову еще в арку засунуть). 2. покупают в магазине "что есть то и возьму", главное фирма.
3. почти никто не занимается просчетом оптимальности в выборе ширины+высоты, не говоря уже что не смотрят сколько дюймов ширина диска, после чего и неправильный износ, и вид как на разварах:) трапецией.
4. ну и самое важное что всем наплевать какой там индекс скорости и нагрузки.
конечно возможны и другие причины, почему такая разница в поведении резины (условия хранения например), или это просто мне "показалось".
поэтому уважаемые автовладельцы, указываете все параметры резины при написании отзыва
235/45 R18 Honda Accord. Отъездил 10 лет. Резина неубиваемая. Протектор еще не стерся до отметок, но пришлось менять, т.к. совсем задубела, при монтаже от монтировок начали края трескаться. В дождь на ней нужно быть осторожней, при попадании в колею машина превращается в катер)
Мягкая и упругая одновременно (много каучука в боковине), отлично отрабатывает мелкие и средние неровности дороги - это мне очень понравилось, протектор просто вгрызается в дорогу (хорошее сцепление). Шум умеренный, но тихой её назвать нельзя.
Эта резина - отличный вариант для спокойного вождения, кто готов пожертвовать акустическим комфортом ради сцепления и мягкости. Это касается индекса H.
Недостатки:
Хотелось бы потише, тогда резина была бы просто идеальной для меня. Например, если тихая резина шумит в основном на асфальте с крупной фракцией, то эта имеет характерный шум и на мелкой фракции тоже. Виной тому, скорее всего, мягкость протектора и его форма со множеством "порезов", протектор сминается пальцем.
Цепкость резины на полотно очень высокая это плюс, но одновременно руль чутко реагирует на изменение уклона асфальта, на плохом асфальте руль начинает слегка уводить, лично меня это не напрягает. Колейность в такой размерности почти не ощущается.
В этом индексе скорости гонять совсем не хочется, резина без спортивного характера. Кстати, в более спортивном индексе V и протектор чуть жестче, и боковина плотнее.. но, думаю плюсов кроме более чёткой рулёжки в свойствах не прибавится. А вот мягкость хода будет хуже.
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Резина 205/55 r16 MO (MO - защита диска), производство 2012 года, Германия (такой сейчас все торгуют). Индекс скорости H. При тестах и отзывах в выборе резины, очень важно обращать внимания на размер шины и её индекс скорости, и даже на дату производства, ибо её параметры будут сильно отличатся. Например в данном случае, опция MO (усиленный корд в месте соприкосновения с диском), в этой размерности и индексе H на плавность хода не влияет, хотя часть боковины при этом становится жестче. А вот в более скоростном индексе, и с меньшим профилем, жесткость резины сильно возрастёт. Отсюда и плохие отзывы по мягкости берутся.
Шумной резину в принципе назвать нельзя, но и тихой тоже, гул появляется не сразу, примерно после 60-70км/ч, и даже на мелкой фракции, по тишине резина скорее - хороший среднячёк... но не более, а вот за прохождение неровностей и стыков, можно смело ставить 5 балов. Проходит их мягко и гулко, сглаживая даже довольно сильные удары. При этом машину не болтает, как на зимней резине, всё довольно упруго и контроль в управлении не теряется.
p.s.
Если хотите мягкую резину но тихую, выбирайте более жесткий "пластиковый" протектор, с более простым рисунком, где меньше разрезов/порезов на рисунке (такой например у серии Nokian Hakka). Но обязательно с мягкой боковиной (т.е. индекс скорости поменьше). Такая конфигурация хуже будет обрабатывать рябь асфальта и мелкие неровности, за счёт жесткого и простого протектора, зато на средних неровностях и кочках боковина выручит. А "пластиковый" протектор при этом не будет шуметь на дороге с мелкой фракцией.
обновление 07 мая:
Дождливая погода, лужи и мокрый асфальт без нареканий - всё хорошо. Субьективно показалось, что воду отводит лучше, чем на летних Nokian H/V.
Попадал на скорости 60-70 в несколькоощутимых ям, на высокий полицейский из асфальта, выпирающие рельсы трамвая, и еще сильно тиранулся шиной об бордюр. Грыж и повреждений нет, ощущение, что шины довольно устойчивые к боковым повреждениям.
не любит большой вес (пятеро взрослых человек уже нагрузка)
Комментарий:
отъездила 4 сезона (Шевроле Орландо), и еще больше половины протектора осталось, сезона на два хватит. Пробег не очень большой, но каждый год поездки на море из Москвы, и на дачу по жутким ухабам.
А самое главное - поймала яму или что-то еще, резина в клочья, но колесо не спущено! езжу уже месяц и все жду, когда же...))) Машина в этот момент была сильно груженая, так что резина эта не любит большой вес, но так и с зимней резиной у меня было, посадила семерых и одно колесо прорвало куском асфальта).
относительно тихая, 2017 год будет думаю последний для этого комплекта, т к уже пара мм осталась до рисок между канавками. Экономичная, по сухому хорошему асфальту и мокрому на полном приводе держит в поворотах хорошо.
Недостатки:
как писали неоднократно, колейность на мкаде и вообще приличную колею не любит, особенно на скорости, и даже в дождь на полном приводе. Из-за политики руководства страны, ценник стал не приемлемый!
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стоит с завода на полноприводной Ауди а4 с 2009 года, кроме пойманного самореза за все это время ничего не случалось. На шиномантаже ребята балансируют с первого раза уже какой год без нареканий.
7 лет назад
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