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Опыт использования:
несколько месяцев
Достоинства:
+ GeForce GTX 1050 тянет все современные 3D-приложения/игры + 16 Гб памяти на борту, возможность нарастить до 64 + SSD делает загрузку системы гораздо быстрее традиционных HDD; можно добавить вторую планку SSD + Windows 10 Pro со старта + подсветка клавиш
Недостатки:
- сканер отпечатков пальцев не самый надёжный (чуть влажная рука и отпечаток не читается - клавиатура не самая удобная, а места для неё полно. так что поставить что-то более приемлемое возмодность была (но это вкусовщина) - греется всё-таки несколько больше, чам мне хотелось бы (но то i7 оно и понятно)
Комментарий:
по профилю работы (среда разработки, минимум 2 браузера с кучей открытых вкладок) искал комп с 16 ГБ памяти минимум и вожможностью дальнейшего расширения. получил вдобавок возможность погонять давно отложенные игры на нормальной видяхе. есть отдельные недостатки, но в основном машина прекрасна. для идеала не хватает MacOS X вместо Win10 )))
5 лет назадМосква
Опыт использования:
менее месяца
Достоинства:
Производительность выше всяких похвал - шестиядерный i7-8750H, SSD от Самсунга выдает 3,4 Гб/с на чтение и 1,4 Гб/с на запись. Видеокарта позволяет поиграть в любые игрушки на средних настройках. Очень качественный матовый IPS экран - любые углы обзора, приятная картинка. Клавиатура. Очень удобная - четкие срабатывания, за счет отказа от цифрового блока справа клавиши большие и хорошо разнесены. Скорость печати почти сразу приблизилась к моей максимальной, практически не пришлось привыкать. Два уровня подсветки. Возможности апгрейда - после снятия нижней крышки на 7 винтах открывается два m.2 разъема с поддержкой PCI-E x4 NVMe каждый, два слота DDR4-2666 с поддержкой до 64 Гб в сумме, модуль беспроводной связи и не приклеенная батарея. В общем, самостоятельно можно заменить всё, кроме проца и видеокарты. Тихий. Без нагрузки вообще не шумит, под нагрузкой вполне приемлемо. 3 года гарантии, такое сейчас только у Thinkpad'ов. Отсутствие мусорного софта, только полезный Lenovo Vantage для обновления драйверов / BIOS, настройки. По мелочи - порадовала штатная механическая шторка для вэб-камеры и сканер отпечатков пальца. Тачпад средний, собран хорошо - не люфтит. Жесты и касания отрабатывает хорошо.
Недостатки:
Охлаждение. Этого стоило ожидать, покупая тонкий ноутбук с шестиядерным CPU и дискретной GTX 1050Ti. Выхлоп СО направлен вниз, поэтому под нагрузкой на коленях держать ноут очень некомфортно. Кстати, клавиатура греется несильно, так что за столом спокойно можно продолжать работать и под нагрузкой. После андервольтинга ситуация с нагревом поменялась незначительно. Маркий корпус. Очень приятный Thinkpad'овкий пластик этим знаменит, собирает на себе всё. Какие бы ни были чистые руки, после часа работы вокруг клавы красуются разводы. Крышка поскрипывает / потрескивает при приложении усилия. Но это еще поискать нужное место надо, чтобы услышать. Время жизни от батарейки - еще один компромисс в угоду производительности. Под нагрузкой полтора часа, в режиме печатной машинки 6-8 часов. Цена. Отдал 143 т.р. за конфигурацию i7-8750H, GTX 1050Ti, 16Gb RAM, 256Gb SSD, 1080p экран. Но альтернатив за разумные деньги просто нет.
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Очень долго выбирал ноут на замену личному Toshiba U940. Он продержался почти 7 лет за счет замены памяти и дисков, но в итоге стало не хватать производительности. Машинка нужна, в основном, для работы - программирование, тяжелые мат. расчеты. Требования были трудновыполнимые: шустрый проц, возможность апгрейда дисков и памяти, вес до 2 кило, качественная сборка. Выбирал в итоге между Thinkpad X1 Extreme / P1, Dell XPS 15, MSI Creator P65 MSI не взял из-за качества сборки, Dell напугал огромной кучей отзывов про поломки. Да и привык к рабочим Thinkpad'ам - работал на T420, T450, T570. Сразу андервольтнул на 150 милливольт CPU и на 30 милливольт iGPU - производительность в CPU-бенчмарках выросла на 10-12%. Кто не знает - клавиши Home и End продублированы с помощью Fn+<влево> и Fn+<вправо>, почему-то в настройках Lenovo Vantage это не указано. В целом, очень доволен ноутбуком, ожидания оправдались, к минусам был готов заранее по обзорам.
4 года назадМосква
Комментарий 105035740
Чтобы не грелся, можно попробовать отключить турбо режим. Для винды в настройках электропитания выставить максимальную нагрузку на проц 99%
Чтобы не грелся, можно попробовать отключить турбо режим. Для винды в настройках электропитания выставить максимальную нагрузку на проц 99%
Имя скрыто
Опыт использования:
несколько месяцев
Достоинства:
Качественный звук- громкий, чёткий, без хрипов. отличное качество изображения с широкими углами обзора. на борту лицензионная винда. долго держит заряд. высокая скорость работы отлично тянет и игры и при необходимости могу поработать В графических редакторах.
Недостатки:
немного маркий корпус
Комментарий:
Мне очень понравилось что ноутбук сразу же из коробки отлично работает и мне никаких танцев с бубном для настройки не потребовалось. запускается моментально и все приложения включаются быстро. Я доволен покупкой
3 года назадМинск
Пользователь удален
Опыт использования:
менее месяца
Достоинства:
1. Производительность. Минимальный тротлинг 2. Качество сборки 3. Матовый экран это секс 4. Диапазон портов. Есть все необходимые порты и в достатке 5. Строгий, но при этом супер секси дизайн.
Недостатки:
Непривычно что вторая клавиша расположена внизу тачпада, а не как в OSX - прикоснулся указательным и нажал вторым пальцем. Это удобней.
Комментарий:
После покупки следует обязательно вырубить авто-регулировку яркости, иначе это выбесит :D Legacy красная пипка в центре клавиатуры бесполезна. Может быть это было актуально с убогими тачпадами, но текущий тачпад намного отзывчивей этого рудимента ;) Перелез с MacBook Pro и основным острым моментом была адаптация к Windows. Даже у свежайшей Windows 10 есть существенные косяки при работе с тачпадом. Например, убогое переключение окошек. В OSX три пальца делают 1 последовательный шаг, в Windows сколько угодно. Короче нужно быть снайпером чтобы с первого раза попасть в то окно которое тебе нужно.
4 года назадСанкт-Петербург
Комментарий 102549031
Можно вопрос маководу - леново питается по usb от монитора, или нет? Для маков это норма.
Можно вопрос маководу - леново питается по usb от монитора, или нет? Для маков это норма.
Комментарий 103122533
Трек-поинт — это любовь. Кто не пользовался — не понять. Кто пользовался — добровольно от этой фичи не откажется.
Трек-поинт — это любовь. Кто не пользовался — не понять. Кто пользовался — добровольно от этой фичи не откажется.
Опыт использования:
менее месяца
Достоинства:
Всё, кроме кривых рук (по видимому) одного сборщика или автомата!!!
Недостатки:
Кривые руки одного товарища!!!!
Комментарий:
Отдал за ноут 225 т.р.! Ноутбук крутой, самый лучший, во всех смыслах! Но есть один огромный плохой момент. Это по видимому кривые руки толи сборщиков, толи кривая работа робота!!! Так вот, один болтик, который фиксирует второй м2 жесткий диск так сильно закрутили, что его не открутить !!!!! Я сорвал грани, хотя старался этого не делать и теперь я имею на руках ноутбук за 225 т.р., в котором не могу проапгрейдить SSD из за мелочи! Зачем так сильно закручить болтик, который должен держать детальку весом в 20 грамм?
5 лет назадСургут
Комментарий 102125498
Андрей Ф., Используй супер клей!!!
Андрей Ф., Используй супер клей!!!
Комментарий 102491742
Отверткой открутить винтик не получилось - тоже начали срываться пазы. Взял маленькие плоскогубцы, аккуртано, но сильно, зажал головку винтика и провернул на пол-оборота. Все, дальше пальцами.
Отверткой открутить винтик не получилось - тоже начали срываться пазы. Взял маленькие плоскогубцы, аккуртано, но сильно, зажал головку винтика и провернул на пол-оборота. Все, дальше пальцами.
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Опыт использования:
менее месяца
Достоинства:
Премиальный внешний вид. Высокое быстродействие - у меня модель с i7-8750H. Вполне можно как поработать, так и погонять в CS GO на максималках благодаря дискретной видеокарте. Клавиатура - островная, с приятным нажатием - то, что мы любим в ThinkPad-ах. Есть выделенные клавиши Home, End, PgUp, PgDown. Wi-Fi работает очень быстро - с роутером Asus RT-AC66U выдает 56МБ/с при загрузке с сервера, подключенного к роутеру по кабелю. Экран 4k UHD - просто нечто. Цвета сочные и насыщенные, четкость шрифтов сравнима с экраном макбука с Retina дисплеем, к тому же это тачскрин (хотя я вряд ли буду часто им пользоваться, т.к. не люблю оставлять следы пальцев на экране). Время работы - при невысокой нагрузке и средней яркости экрана - честных 5-6 часов. Точнее не замерял, но считаю, что для такого мощного ноутбука это очень неплохой результат. В комплекте переходник на Ethernet-разъем RJ-45. Вес: 1.7кг для 15" ноутбука - это ничто - Macbook Pro 13 старой модели весит 2 кг.
Недостатки:
Под нагрузкой вентиляторы ощутимо шумят - что, в общем, довольно предсказуемо с таким процессором. При этом никаких посторонних свистов и скрипов не слышно. Без нагрузки, когда набираешь текст и нет никаких фоновых задач - полная тишина. Если хотите тихий ноутбук, берите на процессоре с суффиксом U (например, X1 Carbon) - этот ноутбук нацелен на максимальную производительность. Отверстия для забора воздуха находятся снизу - так что для эффективной вентиляции ноутбук должен стоять на ровной поверхности (а не на подушке, например). С клавиатурой маленькая проблемка - при нажатии на правый край клавиши Enter, она не всегда срабатывает - надо привыкать нажимать в центр или левее. Тачпад в целом неплохой, но субъективно на Dell XPS 13 (а значит, и 15) он немного более мягок и отзывчив (с тачпадом Lenovo надо общаться по-мужски!). Экран - все-таки глянец, хотя в официальном магазине Lenovo и заявлено, что матовый, но зато у него лучше цветопередача.
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Выбирал между этим ноутбуком и Dell XPS 15 (9570 / 9575). ThinkPad победил по нескольким параметрам: * Очень люблю их клавиатуры * Гарантия 3 года против 2-х у Dell * Вес немного меньше, чем у Dell * Про Dell есть отзывы о каких-то странных свистах при работе (проверить не было возможности) У Dell, несомненно, есть свои плюсы - например, можно за ту же цену подобрать более мощную конфигурацию, батарея более емкая и, как я уже сказал, более комфортный тачпад - но я решил все же остановиться на модели ThinkPad X1 Extreme. Установил на него Linux параллельно с виндой - попробовал несколько дистрибутивов, без проблем на сегодня (декабрь 2018) встал только Pop!_OS 18.10 - довольно интересный дистрибутив на основе Ubuntu, где из коробки идут драйверы для Nvidia / AMD видеокарт. Дистрибутив создан компанией System76 - производителем ноутбуков и компьютеров, которая к тому же озаботилась поддержкой HiDPI в Linux. Для загрузки после установки нужно отключить опцию Secure Boot в BIOS. В целом вау-эффект от покупки длился несколько дней (особенно от экрана) - буду потихоньку осваивать и привыкать. Всем удачных покупок!
5 лет назадРязань
Комментарий 101884049
Macbook Pro 13 старой модели весит 2 кг — видимо очень старая модель или вы писали про 15.
Macbook Pro 13 старой модели весит 2 кг — видимо очень старая модель или вы писали про 15.
Комментарий 102147809
Secure Boot в Pop!_OS 18.10 можно оставить включенным (что достаточно удобно), если подписать загрузчик и ядро самоподписанными ключами и загрузить их в BIOS - на эту тему можно найти достаточно инструкций.
Secure Boot в Pop!_OS 18.10 можно оставить включенным (что достаточно удобно), если подписать загрузчик и ядро самоподписанными ключами и загрузить их в BIOS - на эту тему можно найти достаточно инструкций.
Опыт использования:
менее месяца
Достоинства:
1. Есть вариант с матовым Full HD экраном. 2. Великолепная клавиатура (если вам не нужны Num-клавиши, если нужны, то смотрите в сторону ThinkPad T590, T15 и т.п. На линейке X1 их никогда не было). 3. Спасибо Lenovo, что в ThinkPadах (кроме свежевышедшего X1 Nano) до сих пор - нормальное количество разных портов. Apple нас приучила, что таскать переходники - это норма. Так вот для меня - это ни разу не норма. 4. Тензометрический джойстик (трекпоинт) с дублирующими мышь клавишами. Очень удобная вещь, чтобы не отрывать руки от клавиатуры по время печати, когда нужно выполнить операцию курсором мыши. 5. Lenovo догадалось, что можно не захламлять Windows а установить всего одну программу (из Windows Store - Lenovo Vantage), которая будет позволять настраивать ноутбук и обновлять все компоненты, а еще через нее же можно посмотреть всю инфу об аккумуляторе, варианты гарантии и делать тонкие настройки. 6. ThinkPad - три года международной гарантии. Тут без комментариев. 7. Крышка экрана, раскрывающаяся на 180 градусов. К сожалению, очень немногие ноутбуки умеют раскрывать экран на 180 градусов или больше. Для меня это критично, не всегда работаю в идеальных условиях. 8. Отличное железо при весе в 1,7 кг.
Недостатки:
1. Уже хочется экран 16:10, хотя при диагонали в 15 дюймов и 16:9 вполне нормально, вся нужная информация помещается, для всего остального есть TB3 док с подключенными двумя мониторами. 2. Время автономной работы у версии с 4К OLED экраном оставлять желать лучшего. Тут это просто стоит иметь в виду. 3. Не забывайте, что вы берете ноутбук с более менее мощным процессором (TDP = 45 W) и дискретной видеокартой, соответственно комплектное зарядное устройство будет немаленьким по размеру. Но можно заряжать ноутбук и через type-c, разве что: я бы рекомендовал поискать блок питания с type-c на 80-90 Вт (больше - нет смысла, т.к. стандарт Power Delivery через type-c ограничен 100 Вт), поскольку распространенные адаптеры на 60-65 Вт могут очень медленно заряжать этот ноутбук при работе за ним, а при серьезной нагрузке он вообще будет медленно разряжаться. Комплектное зарядное устройство обладает солидными размерами и весом (хотя всё же меньше, чем обычно кладут к Windows ноутбукам), но позволяет не париться насчет зарядки (оно мощностью - 130 W). Либо просто купите что-нибудь типа зарядника Dell 450-agoq, его за глаза хватит, плюс он - достаточно компактный). 4. По умолчанию в Панели управления Nvidia выставлен параметр "Предпочтительный графический процессор" - Автовыбор. Рекомендую сменить на "Интегрированное..." Тем самым вы увеличите автономность, а приложения, которым нужна дискретная видеокарта, можно задать там же вручную.
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Считаю, что экран выше разрешением, если вы не сильно много работаете с графикой - не нужен. Иначе получите не самую лучшую автономность + мелкие проблемы с масштабированием в Windows (хотя, надо заметить, что в Windows 10 уже достаточно инструментов, чтобы побороть эту проблему даже в очень старых и кривых приложениях на 99%). Глянец - не приемлю ни при каких обстоятельствах (если только не сенсорный экран) хотя бы потому, что ноутбук подразумевает портативную, мобильную работу, а не только в офисе. Глянцевые экраны всегда пасуют перед ярким уличным солнцем и яркими лампами в офисе. 2. Клавиатура у ThinkPadов всегда была и остаётся - визитной карточкой. Как владелец в прошлом ThinkPad X230, скажу, что это чуть ли не главное, за что я готов покупать только эти ноутбуки. У остальных производителей, по большей части - отвратительные клавиатуры с маленьким ходом клавиш (мы же слепо копируем за Apple, да?), ужасной раскладкой и гравировкой (серьезно, порой кажется что в угоду дизайну забивают на всё остальное, особенно - на читаемость), частым отсутствием доп клавиш (PgDown, PgUp, Insert, Home, End, PrtScr и т.д.).Часто еще и сочетания цветов дикие: делают серый шрифт гравировки на белых или серых клавишах. Использовать такое без подсветки - ломать себе глаза. Тоненькие и узкие клавиши стрелочек в угоду дизайну. Даже банально тактильные ощущения у таких клавиатур далеко за гранью "приятных". Я очень большой акцент делаю на клавиатуру, т.к. для меня это - рабочий инструмент (особенно, учитывая стоимость) и основной инструмент ввода даже при подключенном внешнем мониторе. Соответственно "качество ввода" - первостепенно. Итоговые выводы такие: для 15 дюймового портативного ноутбука рассматриваемая модель обладает отличным весом и балансом характеристик. Ничего лучше вы не найдете (ну кроме аналогичных моделей от Dell, но со своими оговорками). По крайней мере то, что продаётся у нас официально
3 года назадМосква
Опыт использования:
несколько месяцев
Достоинства:
Произвоительность выше всяких похвал. 12 потоков хватает и на виртуалки, и на рендеринг, и в некоторые игрушки побегать. На ютубе тестов море.
Недостатки:
греется он - это действительно есть, но на мой взгляд не критично (пасту менять раз в год и всё будет ок). Есть действительно серьёзная проблема - клавиатура часто пропускает нажатия клавиш. Это очень сильно усложняет жизнь мне - мешает переписке в почте/мессенджере, мешает писать код. Проблема не единичная - см тред на англоязычном форуме https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-X-Series-Laptops/X1-Extreme-Gen-2-missing-keystrokes/td-p/4569936?page=55 Один из форумчан добился от леново решения - замена клавиатуры (и даже самостоятельно заменил), но новая клавиатура ведет себя точно также - пропускает нажатия клавиш (сообщение №655 в треде)
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Я купил ноут в ноябр 2019. При покупке ноут включил и проверил - отследить проблему с клавиатурой было не реально - проблема проявляется при длительной работе. Это не механическая проблема т.к. клавиатура пропускает нажатия каждый раз разных клавиш. Обращение в техподдержку леново пока безрезультатно - предлагают переустановить Windows и поставить драйверы с сайта. Для пользователей линукс предлагаю посмотреть скриншот )))))) Если берёте комп для работы - набор текста/кода - десять раз подумайте или подождите 3-ю или 4-ю генерацию этого ноута (может быть исправят ситуацию с клавиатурой). Так-то комп классный, но вот клавиатура подвела. Эх.
4 года назадТюмень
Комментарий 102967995
Где скриншот-то?
Где скриншот-то?
Комментарий 103122532
В указаном треде пишут, что решение найдено — нужно обновить BIOS: https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-X-Series-Laptops/X1-Extreme-Gen-2-missing-keystrokes/m-p/4569936?page=72#5025372
В указаном треде пишут, что решение найдено — нужно обновить BIOS: https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-X-Series-Laptops/X1-Extreme-Gen-2-missing-keystrokes/m-p/4569936?page=72#5025372
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Какие бы ни были чистые руки, после часа работы вокруг клавы красуются разводы.\nКрышка поскрипывает / потрескивает при приложении усилия. Но это еще поискать нужное место надо, чтобы услышать.\nВремя жизни от батарейки - еще один компромисс в угоду производительности. Под нагрузкой полтора часа, в режиме печатной машинки 6-8 часов.\nЦена. Отдал 143 т.р. за конфигурацию i7-8750H, GTX 1050Ti, 16Gb RAM, 256Gb SSD, 1080p экран. 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Может быть это было актуально с убогими тачпадами, но текущий тачпад намного отзывчивей этого рудимента ;)\n\nПерелез с MacBook Pro и основным острым моментом была адаптация к Windows. Даже у свежайшей Windows 10 есть существенные косяки при работе с тачпадом. Например, убогое переключение окошек. В OSX три пальца делают 1 последовательный шаг, в Windows сколько угодно. Короче нужно быть снайпером чтобы с первого раза попасть в то окно которое тебе нужно.","pro":"1. Производительность. Минимальный тротлинг\n2. Качество сборки\n3. Матовый экран это секс\n4. Диапазон портов. Есть все необходимые порты и в достатке\n5. Строгий, но при этом супер секси дизайн.","contra":"Непривычно что вторая клавиша расположена внизу тачпада, а не как в OSX - прикоснулся указательным и нажал вторым пальцем. 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Иначе получите не самую лучшую автономность + мелкие проблемы с масштабированием в Windows (хотя, надо заметить, что в Windows 10 уже достаточно инструментов, чтобы побороть эту проблему даже в очень старых и кривых приложениях на 99%). Глянец - не приемлю ни при каких обстоятельствах (если только не сенсорный экран) хотя бы потому, что ноутбук подразумевает портативную, мобильную работу, а не только в офисе. Глянцевые экраны всегда пасуют перед ярким уличным солнцем и яркими лампами в офисе.\n2. Клавиатура у ThinkPadов всегда была и остаётся - визитной карточкой. Как владелец в прошлом ThinkPad X230, скажу, что это чуть ли не главное, за что я готов покупать только эти ноутбуки. 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